EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
Weren't the articular buses rusting away? Perhaps they're not available?
no that was a previous version of them which led to the TTC insisting on stainless steel frames for buses.
Weren't the articular buses rusting away? Perhaps they're not available?
Maybe they decided time to stop it and only come out for major mile stoppers.Something is old. Did they forget to make a news release for 4420 entering service?
How did we announce the arrival of each CLRV and ALRV?
So, I've been thinking about this, and with the PCC on 509 recently...what exactly was the benefit, to the average rider, of the CLRV over the PCC? They seem almost identical from a rider's perspective. PCC windows seem larger+open more and yield substantially more airflow, I feel; seats are more comfortable, too. The ALRV is bigger, sure, but there are relatively few of them and they saw limited deployment mostly on 501. Honestly, I feel like the PCC is a more enjoyable ride than the CLRV--I know riding it a couple of times in the summer isn't the same as commuting daily for years, but the airflow+seats are very nice and there don't seem to be rider-facing downsides, really.
Agreed, the seating arrangement is just odd and it could've been arranged better. There are only so many ways the seats could be arranged since the Flexities are 100% low-floor but it seems like the TTC went with the worst possible arrangement.The LFLRV has air conditioning, but other than that there aren't many redeeming qualities. The LFLRV by far has the lest comfortable seating of all TTC vehicles, and the seating arrangement makes it a challenge to travel through the vehicle. The ride is also awfully jerky.
During my visit to the Leslie Barns this morning I was reminded of how poorly our tushes are treated today by the TTC. Streetcar seating today is essentially a bolt of fabric stretched over hard plastic, while the first CLRVs had a thin layer of foam between cloth and seat frame, and the PWC AND PCC had fully sprung cushioning in the seats. I imagine this ergonomically degradation is due to cost of both acquisition/install and maintain, but I do miss the softer seating of years past.Fron a rider's point-of-view, my favourite streetcar is the PCC, followed the the (A)CLRV and then LFLRV.
The ride on the PCC is wonderfully smooth, seats are very comfortable and great ventilation, as you guys mentioned.
The LFLRV has air conditioning, but other than that there aren't many redeeming qualities. The LFLRV by far has the lest comfortable seating of all TTC vehicles, and the seating arrangement makes it a challenge to travel through the vehicle. The ride is also awfully jerky.
During my visit to the Leslie Barns this morning I was reminded of how poorly our tushes are treated today by the TTC. Streetcar seating today is essentially a bolt of fabric stretched over hard plastic, while the first CLRVs had a thin layer of foam between cloth and seat frame, and the PWC AND PCC had fully sprung cushioning in the seats. I imagine this ergonomically degradation is due to cost of both acquisition/install and maintain, but I do miss the softer seating of years past.
While visiting Leslie Barns this morning, I got a photo of 4420 with her pantograph up. Here is what we have to look forward to in December when they start running with pantographs on routes 509 and 510.View attachment 77128
So, I've been thinking about this, and with the PCC on 509 recently...what exactly was the benefit, to the average rider, of the CLRV over the PCC? They seem almost identical from a rider's perspective. PCC windows seem larger+open more and yield substantially more airflow, I feel; seats are more comfortable, too. The ALRV is bigger, sure, but there are relatively few of them and they saw limited deployment mostly on 501. Honestly, I feel like the PCC is a more enjoyable ride than the CLRV--I know riding it a couple of times in the summer isn't the same as commuting daily for years, but the airflow+seats are very nice and there don't seem to be rider-facing downsides, really.
On the other hand, the LFLRVs are replacing all cars, they have air conditioning, 4 door boarding, wheelchair access, bike storage, they were the first surface vehicles with Presto, they're POP and have the machines on+offboard now including debit/credit payment, bigger windows/better views, seem to accelerate faster, feel smoother when standing, have external announcements and LED route signs, they're *much* bigger...a lot more that affects the average rider.