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salsa
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Today I had a chance to ride the new streetcar, and I actually like them more than the subway trains. However does anyone notice that they move really slow around curves (in the tunnel, and around Spadina Circle)? Maybe it's just me, but the old ones seemed faster in those areas. But nevertheless, the 510 will still be excruciatingly slow even with all door boarding. I wish something could be done to speed it up.
Also, the new map is nice but it's hard to read because of the angle.
Also, the new map is nice but it's hard to read because of the angle.
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Towered
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Just had to ruin the footage by adding a cheesy dance beat eh?
Thanks for the video Torontovibe.
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hawc
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Hardly a dance beat. I like the music. Very subtle just moves things along.
Anyone not like the fact that on these new streetcars you're going to have to touch more things. Some people really don't like touching the public transit and this one is going to force you to hit a button on the door that thousands of other people have hit and touch the POP station that thousands of others have touched. I mean I know there's ways around it, but it does mean more chance to get germs.
Anyway, very excited to ride the new streetcars soon. Can't wait for them to roll out on my Carlton route in 5 years!
hawc
Senior Member
One of my favourite pictures to show friends who complain about being stuck behind streetcars. I say, well think how many cars you'd be stuck behind if all those streetcar riders had driven!
Not sure if I'm right, but I heard that one subway train is equivalent to all the cars headed southbound on the DVP from top to bottom. It says a train hold just over one thousand people so not sure if that's accurate or not, but probably close.
Not sure if I'm right, but I heard that one subway train is equivalent to all the cars headed southbound on the DVP from top to bottom. It says a train hold just over one thousand people so not sure if that's accurate or not, but probably close.
innsertnamehere
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A single subway train is roughly equivalent to how much traffic a single highway lane can handle in an hour, so the entire DVP can theoretically be replaced by 3-4 subway trains an hour.
The busiest part of the 401(403-427) handles roughly as much traffic as the busiest part of the yonge line, for comparison. (Bloor-college)
The busiest part of the 401(403-427) handles roughly as much traffic as the busiest part of the yonge line, for comparison. (Bloor-college)
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TheTigerMaster
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I'll always be amazed by how much people public transit can move, especially compared to private automobile. I have to sit down and say "wow" sometimes 
innsertnamehere
Superstar
Yup, especially considering that the 401 in that stretch is quite literally the busiest highway on the planet.
It also sort of shows how silly it is to build subways on places like Sheppard avenue, its like widening the 401 to 32 lanes along there, its a complete overbuild of infrastructure. Building a subway is roughly the equivilant of constructing an 18 lane highway in terms of capacity. (Roughly the same cost per km as well)
It also sort of shows how silly it is to build subways on places like Sheppard avenue, its like widening the 401 to 32 lanes along there, its a complete overbuild of infrastructure. Building a subway is roughly the equivilant of constructing an 18 lane highway in terms of capacity. (Roughly the same cost per km as well)
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TheTigerMaster
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That's a great way to vizualize things for the layman. Much better than trying to get them to understand what exactly is 30,000 pphpd.
Is it fair to say that 10,000 phppd is equivalent to 10 lanes of highway?
Is it fair to say that 10,000 phppd is equivalent to 10 lanes of highway?
W. K. Lis
Superstar
How did the people get around in 1900 when there were very few automobiles?
They walked, used bicycles, or rode the streetcars.
There would be more people on the streets, because there would be no single-occupant cars to block everyone.
rbt
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10 lanes of free flowing but heavily used highway is closer to 22,000 to 25,000 pph. That throughput drops significantly once congestion brings the speed down below 80km/h as often occurs at on/off ramps due to poor merging practices by most drivers.
salsa
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We can't even sell these things. We're stuck with them for 30 years, so the city will have to make the best of a bad situation.
If it turns out to be a major problem, it could be solved by elevating the Spadina line to keep it away from the road salt. As a bonus, there wouldn't be a need for the circle around Knox College (it would just go over it) so the reported problems with slow speeds around turns would be negated. As fate would have it, the building is undergoing a major renovation so now is a perfect time to incorporate this into the structure.
If the plan works, the waterfront route should be the next in line to be elevated because it also has to deal with sea spray on top of the road salts.
/sarcasm