smallspy
Senior Member
You're actually willing to pay two fares just to be able to enter the station, leave and come back then?
You don't swipe tokens.
Well, unless you are attempting to steal them.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
You're actually willing to pay two fares just to be able to enter the station, leave and come back then?
It's a Metrocard. Unlimited travel. So when it doesn't work, you just show it to the attendant, who I've never had them question it (normally because either the card has stopped working, the machine isn't working properly, or on the rare occasion, I've entered twice in a couple of minutes).You're actually willing to pay two fares just to be able to enter the station, leave and come back then?
It's a Metrocard. Unlimited travel. So when it doesn't work, you just show it to the attendant, who I've never had them question it (normally because either the card has stopped working, the machine isn't working properly, or on the rare occasion, I've entered twice in a couple of minutes).
I'd call it a criminal act.
Something like that. Quite bothersome on a Saturday afternooon when I've swiped in at (say Christie), walked downstairs to buy a soft drink at the store, found it closed (despite the station always being very busy on a Saturday), and then gone back outside, and next door to buy drink, and tried swiping back in again ...
That's what PRESTO is. In there wouldn't be an extra charge, as (at least on other systems) it treats all taps within X hours as simply transfers.I guess it would be an issue if the TTC actually issued passes with stored value or a set number of rides on them, instead of validity based on calendar dates.
It likely wouldn't be prosecuted as a criminal act. But unlike driving through a red light, or drinking in public, fraud is a criminal act, and it's covered by the Criminal Code of Canada. I agree though, prosecution would likely be by Bylaw rather than under the Criminal Code.TTC Bylaw #1 (which covers such things as petty fare evasion) is not a criminal law - it's prosecuted pretty much as a provincial offense. It's not criminal per se, just like driving through a red light or having an open container of alcohol in public.
Haha I figured out this one by accident when taking a GO Train to Whitby to buy a bike. Seems to be a flaw in the Presto system, but it actually deducts two fares minus a base fare so you save about $5.3. Take a go bus, and return within the 3 hours on the same route (I think it was), one fare only deducted!
Not sure it's a flaw per se. If you go to GO's fare calculator, and enter the fare from point A to point A with a transfer at point B, this matches what Presto charges for return GO trips, when you start your return legs before 3 hours after your initial tap.Haha I figured out this one by accident when taking a GO Train to Whitby to buy a bike. Seems to be a flaw in the Presto system, but it actually deducts two fares minus a base fare so you save about $5.
Damn it Mod, stop countering his blanket statements with true and logic.TTC Bylaw #1 (which covers such things as petty fare evasion) is not a criminal law - it's prosecuted pretty much as a provincial offense. It's not criminal per se, just like driving through a red light or having an open container of alcohol in public.
I don't think that's an offence. I've also broken the rules by walking from one transfer point to another (because it was quicker than waiting for the connecting vehicle ... for example from Dundas/Broadview to Gerrard/Broadview when changing from a 504 Broadview to a 506 Main Street). I really don't see how that's an offence. Though the current transfer rules are absolutely bizarre, and need to be simplified ... this was driven home to me the one day when I had to stop at the bank to get some $ to buy more tokens ... which required me to get off the bus next to the subway station, requiring me to pay again when I walked into the subway entrance next to the bank.I've used a few loopholes myself. Like going into a store while waiting for a streetcar and using the transfer. If that's a criminal offense then....
Haha I figured out this one by accident when taking a GO Train to Whitby to buy a bike. Seems to be a flaw in the Presto system, but it actually deducts two fares minus a base fare so you save about $5.
The TTC does offer time-based transfers ... but only for the 512 streetcar - http://www.ttc.ca/Fares_and_passes/Fare_information/Transfers/Time_based_transfers.jspIronic that the long distance commuter system GO offers timed transfers, while the local short distance TTC system does not, eh?
Hmm, I might have overthought Lemur's example. I'm not sure why he'd grab the second transfer, when the first one was still fine. I'm thinking of stuff like where you take a second transfer, and give it to a friend at a later transfer point, who hasn't actually paid, and is joining you.
No they wouldn't. I can't think of any reason why a Bathurst station transfer would be refused on any of the routes that the Spadina streetcar intersects (assuming it wasn't a very old transfer).Because the first transfer would not be accepted beyond the second transfer point. For example: get on at Bathurst, travel to Spadina, get transfer marked Spadina, take streetcar to transfer point. I'm pretty sure a streetcar operator would balk at a Bathurst transfer offered by a passenger coming off the Spadina car.