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TTC: Easier Access Phase III

dowlingm said:
I just walked through the soon to be demolished bus concourse at Warden - is that station losing its washrooms permanently with the EA project works, or have TTC committed to retaining washroom access within the remodelled structure?
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Yes, there will be washrooms.

This is the concourse design:

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DSC said:
Older men and prostatitis?
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LOL

I think washrooms are a worthwhile cause irrespective of sex, or age.

Plenty of parents have wanted to do a diaper change when out and about, and you have no control over your infant's timing............sudden illness (at either end) can be an issue; some people have conditions like Crohns that make washrooms more urgent; and for the rest of us...........sometimes you just need to go......and there may not be another washroom conveniently nearby.

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The TTC's current approved policy (though Mx is not complying with it currently in projects now underway) is to have washrooms at all stations.

There is no set policy on retrofits.

Given security and cleaning issues, I think every station is probably not a reasonable near-term goal; but I think generally aiming for any transfer station (subway to subway, subway to GO or other regional transit) and select higher volume stations make sense.

Once that's complete, we can revisit options to introduce public washrooms into lower volume stations.

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For the same reasons as above, I support more year round washrooms in Parks, and I really would like to see some street/public square based ones, automated is fine....

Many cities around the world boast more robust public washroom availability. Its good for discouraging going in public, for good public hygiene and it just makes a more pleasant standard of living for anyone out and about.
 
dowlingm said:
I just walked through the soon to be demolished bus concourse at Warden - is that station losing its washrooms permanently with the EA project works, or have TTC committed to retaining washroom access within the remodelled structure?
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I'm hoping washrooms aren't replaced at Warden during the construction.

They are frequently used as homeless shelters by the mentally unwell.

It's one less problem to deal with.
 
Richard White said:
I'm hoping washrooms aren't replaced at Warden during the construction.

They are frequently used as homeless shelters by the mentally unwell.

It's one less problem to deal with.
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That is an interesting definition of a “dealt with problem”. Closing those washrooms won’t find those people housing. The number of people clearly in need of help in the subway and on trains is distressing but telling them go somewhere else is pointless - it’s not hard to provide a more comfortable space than either platform or train seat but they aren’t being provided in accordance with demonstrated need.
 
dowlingm said:
That is an interesting definition of a “dealt with problem”. Closing those washrooms won’t find those people housing. The number of people clearly in need of help in the subway and on trains is distressing but telling them go somewhere else is pointless - it’s not hard to provide a more comfortable space than either platform or train seat but they aren’t being provided in accordance with demonstrated need.
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Yes but Warden Station is known to be a hotspot for panhandling and homeless.

In the winter they sleep in the heated washrooms while talking to themselves and smoking drugs.
 
Richard White said:
I'm hoping washrooms aren't replaced at Warden during the construction.

They are frequently used as homeless shelters by the mentally unwell.

It's one less problem to deal with.
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You forgot the smiley face. Someone might take you seriously!

The habitation problems are the TTC's failure to act.
 
Richard White said:
Yes but Warden Station is known to be a hotspot for panhandling and homeless.

In the winter they sleep in the heated washrooms while talking to themselves and smoking drugs.
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"Some people do something I don't like, therefore no one can have access to a toilet!" Cringe take, seriously.
 
PL1 said:
"Some people do something I don't like, therefore no one can have access to a toilet!" Cringe take, seriously.
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Actually, it's more than that.

There have been cases where it's unsafe to use the toilets because of the homeless and addicts using them.

I've seen people have an episode in the washroom while either being homeless or having mental illness.

With only one way in out, being in there while someone is not all there isn't ideal.
 
Richard White said:
Yes but Warden Station is known to be a hotspot for panhandling and homeless.

In the winter they sleep in the heated washrooms while talking to themselves and smoking drugs.
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Then surely the answer is outreach to those who take shelter there, and offering, with insistence if other options fail, alternative housing, including with supportive care for addictions and mental health.

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In all seriousness its a very bad take to suggest the answer to a given facility or service being 'misused' is simply to close the facility.

On that basis why run transit at all since some take shelter in trains, and streetcars in particular?

Why have bus shelfters, since some live in them?

Why run Emergency Rooms in hospitals, they are 'misused' by those seeking shelter, those seeking attention, those whose addictions ought to have been treated, those seeking opiods, those who should have found a family doctor (not that easy, but I digress).......

Oh, wait a minute.......you mean you might need one of those? That's right.............the alternative to misuse is corrective action, sympathetic where possible and merited, and perhaps, a harsher response for those willingly, and consciously abusing the system.

But shutting down the service is no less absurd than shutting down the power grid because it powers some illegal grow operations..........
 
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Northern Light said:
Then surely the answer is outreach to those who take shelter there, and offering, with insistence if other options fail, alternative housing, including with supportive care for addictions and mental health.

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In all seriousness its a very bad take to suggest the answer to a given facility or service being 'misused' is simply to close the facility.

On that basis why run transit at all since some take shelter in trains, and streetcars in particular?

Why have bus shelfters, since some live in them?

Why run Emergency Rooms in hospitals, they are 'misused' by those seeking shelter, those seeking attention, those whose addictions ought to have been treated, those seeking opiods, those who should have found family doctor (not that easy, but I digress).......

Oh, wait a minute.......you mean you might need one of those? That's right.............the alternative to misuse is corrective action, sympathetic where possible and merited, and perhaps, a harsher response for those willingly, and consciously abusing the system.

But shutting down the service is no less absurd that shutting down the power grid because it powers some illegal grow operations..........
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I recall reading somewhere that the Islington Station washrooms closed because of this exact behaviour.

They were having issues with illicit activities and closed them in the 90s for safety reasons.

I'm searching it up now but perhaps someone can recall.
 
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