APTA-2048
Senior Member
They are starting to leave the yard right now.
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TTC CLRV Streetcars: Where will they go once they are retired?
- Thread starter Long Island Mike
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drum118
Superstar
TTC miss the boat for the final car. The final 3 cars left the loop poorly considering there was supervisors on site and a 511 cutting 4001 off from the other cars. Was expecting a filming crew following 4001 or in front, but there wasn't one. Media was on 4178 that was following 4068.
The rain drops washout videos when shooting east, but not west.
If I wasn't so wet and cold, would have drove from Bathurst to Russell to catch the last 3 cars coming off line.
Lots of folks said it was mistake removing the cars considering there is a lack of them now and for some time regardless being high floor.
The rain drops washout videos when shooting east, but not west.
If I wasn't so wet and cold, would have drove from Bathurst to Russell to catch the last 3 cars coming off line.
Lots of folks said it was mistake removing the cars considering there is a lack of them now and for some time regardless being high floor.
CityStay
Active Member
Has anyone snapped any of these up for private, creative use?
What is the protocol - if any - for obtaining one or more examples?
What is the protocol - if any - for obtaining one or more examples?
drum118
Superstar
APTA-2048
Senior Member
Despite the rain and wind, I thought it was a great day. Some pleasant last rides on 4001 and 4124.
Favourite photo from the day:
Favourite photo from the day:
drum118
Superstar
Need to contract TTC for that info. You will need to pay for the shipping cost as well unloading the car
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Hint, hint, hint...
This is what they do in Amsterdam with their old trams...
From link.
Google translation: "At the end of December, the Amsterdam Museumtrams (now) are traditionally driving through the city centre. With this time departure from the dam, the trams were very busy occupied. Tram 144 + 731 passes in the atmospheric utrechtsestraat. © Paul Van Baarle 29-12-2019"
This is what they do in Amsterdam with their old trams...
From link.
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Google translation: "At the end of December, the Amsterdam Museumtrams (now) are traditionally driving through the city centre. With this time departure from the dam, the trams were very busy occupied. Tram 144 + 731 passes in the atmospheric utrechtsestraat. © Paul Van Baarle 29-12-2019"
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Allandale25
Senior Member
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
4068 has been bought by Seashore Trolley Museum, and 4178 as mentioned is going to Halton. I also heard that car 4081 is not to be scrapped, so stay tuned for more on that.
drum118
Superstar
It will be some time before we know what is what going to what, but the worse cars will see the scrap yard. Various parts will be save from these scrap cars where possible to go with X to Y as spare parts.
It will be interesting to see how many cars TTC will keep, as well which one. I was hoping 4178 would stay here because of the paint job it received.
As long as someone is willing to pay the shipping cost, TTC shouldn't worry about the cost of buying the car from them in the first place since its only pennies at the end of the day that the scrap yard is giving them in the first place.
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Allandale25
Senior Member
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
The dead is sitting next to the living! On a more serious note 4147 was hauled off eariler along with 4155. ANY CLRV NOT being preserved WILL be hauled off BY Jan 31st!
drum118
Superstar
It will be interesting to see if any of SEPTA PCC-II will see a new home come Jan 25 when they retire. They are currently on Route 15 there.
Like most of TTC old Fleet that is seeing the scrap yard, the PCC will join them. At the rate SEPTA is going, streetcars will be a thing of the past as they have no plans to order more cars, considering they were looking at TTC Flexity to replace 141 50' Kawasaki 1980-82 trolleys, since they had 30-33' foot curves.
Like most of TTC old Fleet that is seeing the scrap yard, the PCC will join them. At the rate SEPTA is going, streetcars will be a thing of the past as they have no plans to order more cars, considering they were looking at TTC Flexity to replace 141 50' Kawasaki 1980-82 trolleys, since they had 30-33' foot curves.
dowlingm
Senior Member
If I recall correctly, this is the second time you have alleged this.
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4590 is heading out on its first test run as far as I know. 4587 is now reporting it in the service bay. 4588 still showing wrong location of St Clair W loop last seen 4 days ago. 4400 is reporting last seen a few second ago in front of the west service bay doors, where it been showing the last...
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Streety McCarface
Senior Member
I have a feeling most will actually go to museums or other railways, mainly for parts though. They're still in great shape (for heritage vehicles), and both Cities and heritage railways eat PCCs up. There are very few agencies that showed interest in the CLRVs (and less so the ALRVs) because so few cities had some form of involvement with them, and only 1 city ever operated them full time.
The PCCs operated everywhere. And even though these cars run on the Pennsylvania gauge, I wouldn't be surprised if Kenosha wanted to pick 1-4 up, if the Market Street Railway wanted at least 4+, if the Pennsylvania Trolley museum wants 2+, if Seashore wants a few for parts, if Baltimore wants a few for both parts and running, if Illinois wants a few, etc.
I have a feeling that SEPTA wants to keep at least one as a heritage vehicle. They probably will never run given their funding situation, but still.
Streetcars will not be a thing of the past in Philadelphia, because of the Subway Surface section. They have had plans to replace the fleet for years now, they just don't have the funding.
Numerous sources have confirmed elsewhere that the PCC-IIs are dead. The K cars are still going strong, but it's only a matter of time. We'll see what happens.If I recall correctly, this is the second time you have alleged this.
TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)
4590 is heading out on its first test run as far as I know. 4587 is now reporting it in the service bay. 4588 still showing wrong location of St Clair W loop last seen 4 days ago. 4400 is reporting last seen a few second ago in front of the west service bay doors, where it been showing the last...urbantoronto.ca
