OMFG! When the heck did construction begin?!
Around 1994? Maybe there's some experts lurking in Wikipedia that you could consult to find out for sure.
If only it wasn't just for the AM/PM rush crowd
Who says it has to just be a rush hour route? I find it strange that you're capable of dreaming up mostly absurd subway lines that would take generations to complete but your vision of what GO could become, with or without TTC/GTA integration, is completely static.
If one thinks of Dixon/Martin Grove Stn. as interlined one branch heads up to Albion/Kipling, the other to Pearson
Under your plan, someone at Albion & Kipling would have to take 24km of subway to get to York U...if I built it, they'd be able to get to York using about 8km of subway - if they went 24km, they'd just reach Agincourt Mall. They'd also be able to get downtown in 3km less distance and one fewer transfer. They'd be able to get to the airport without transferring.
Why ridiculous, because it's the most extensive proposal to date?
The map posted below yours on page 5 was just as extensive as yours...last year or so, it was laughed at by everyone who saw it, but its outer portions seem almost rational compared to your map.
For a real stretch, check out this "idea":
p083.ezboard.com/ftoronto...1996.topic
I thought Renforth/Eglinton was crucial to the MT busway and was even going to get a branch of the Pearson People Mover.
And the busway is crucial to...??? The people mover can run up to the Georgetown line where it'll connect with some form of rail that'll go straight downtown, and then maybe continue on to Woodbine. It's the Eglinton line south of Eglinton that's highly dubious.
The fantasy map there as well as mentioned on Transit Toronto and other blogs would have Eglinton route up to Dixon
No, it would not run down Renforth. If anything, it would run west to Renforth and then up to Dixon. It may never have even been extended west of Black Creek...
One option would be to run it west to ~Scarlett, then north to Weston, then west straight along Dixon to the airport. You'd lose most of the easy ROW available, but the plus side is you'd mess up the busway :evil
think of CP as a venue should the Olympics ever come to Toronto a mere 3 subway stations away from the airport
Hey, York Region might one day win the Commonwealth Games, so we need a Bayview subway right up to Mulock to handle all the team handball players and modern pentathlon spectators.
Not through Weston. Even if it was, there is no major nodes close-by to support the creation of a DRL along it. GO is GOod enough!
It's wide everywhere except for a tiny length around Church St. So what? Buy 20 houses and tear em down if need be - 20 houses should not hold the city hostage. I bet you could buy their backyards and get enough room that way. But, again, a DRL does not necessarily have to follow the corridor exactly...it can follow roads or just go anywhere diagonally. Maybe there's only a few tower clusters along the way but the majority of riders will arrive by bus, just like every other suburban subway line. And if GO is good enough, why is it ignored in your plans...why do subways run out everywhere in an exorbitantly expensive attempt to replace them?
As for Rouge Hill, GO saw fit to put a stop there, numerous townhouses springing up, numerous bus routes serve the area, it just seemed like a good place to end mass transit. Routing along Lawson instead of Lawrence was done to a. hit UTSC/Highland Creek b. east of Manse there's nothing on Lawrence anyway.
The GO line exists to serve Durham and one of Rouge Hill's main purposes is to serve Pickeringites who live closer to it than Pickering station. Numerous townhouses? Who cares! It may be honourable to think about the little guy, but the little guy doesn't matter to rapid transit. I don't think there's a single building over 2 storeys east of Meadowvale, just scattered houses and lots of parkland. Rouge Hill already has a GO train that can get people to Mississauga in 45 minutes...why do they need a subway that can't possibly go the same distance in less than an hour?
If I didn't route Queen upto and along Kingston Rd. it would follow VP to the BD station. Bingham, Gerrard, new south entrance reaching Shopper's World, that would be the alternative.
Well, that's a very good alternative...serves Queen, check, relieves the YUS loop, check. Your plan completely ignores YUS overcrowding but this Queen connection would do wonders.
However I still think the routing benefits residents of Scarborough Junction and Cliffside better than the insipid bus routings of southeast Scarborough today.
Bus routing can be changed...it will be changed if the Queen line ran up VP. Kingston may get a streetcar, which would also change things up. The relief that connecting with VP would provide far, far, far outweighs bringing the subway a bit closer to a few thousand people.
As for the west, there is absolutely zippo on the Queensway to warrant a subway.
A Lakeshore-ish alignment is not terrible, but I have issues with a subway that runs so close to the lake for so long, through some areas that won't see intensification. Food for thought: the Queen line
could be the one that goes to Square One, being on an eerily straight line to downtown, and all...a perfectly straight subway line from MCC to the Beaches would be 30km, hitting Sherway and the condos around Palace Pier. Half the people along Lakeshore would still be minutes away from the Queen line.
"Hurontario LRT should run the full length from Port Credit to Brampton GO. If the subway goes to MCC it'd run concurrently with LRT between Dundas and Burnhamthrope." -for reference see page 8.
2km of piggybacking does not at all equate to doady's plan to build an ~18km subway. Nice try.
You expect the whole length of DRL from Danforth to TCP/Overlea to be served by a single station?
Pape station is already north of Danforth. A Cosburn stop would mean almost everyone is within 4 blocks of the subway. But 4 blocks isn't good enough for you, so whatever...as long as people have "access" it doesn't matter how long their trips take, right?
Well hoorah for fantasy! Now let realities like surface/elevation routing, route termination, speed, moderate spacing at 0.5 kms, access to other transit services (Blue 22, GO, MT, BRT, Eglinton subway) and the nodes of the 27 take over.
Routing? It would hit every significant place between Downsview and the airport north of the 401. It would terminate at the airport. It'd connect with all of those other routes you mentioned. 500 metre spacing? Suburban bus routes usually average 300+ metre spacing...you're proposing 4 stops per concession? The best part is that it'd serve the whole area in a straight line requiring no transfers. Heck, it doesn't even need to be subway technology...it could be any kind of rail, perhaps coordinated with Peel Region stuff, VIVA, etc. I'm fine with ending Sheppard at Downsview, or maybe York, if a light rail network sprouts out from there...in 100 years maybe the subway can be extended if it needs to be.
The sensible option if 905ers are bound for the subway anyway, take it to them or least to their border.
Why can't this person near Erin Mills slash time off their commute by taking a GO train that's apparently "good enough" for dense areas within the 416?
Making it an entirely separate subway wouldn't hurt since we've come so accustomed to Finch as the end.
No, it must be a Yonge line extension north of Finch...nothing else is even remotely acceptable. What we're accustomed to is arriving at Finch every day and sighing "why doesn't the train go north of here?"
Well guess what, my way we'd have both served by the same line! It's not rocket science you know.
I wasn't talking about your map. And it would take a rocket scientist to figure out how to fill two subways every day in Malvern.
Those spacings I mentioned and I think of alot more (Ajax-Whitby-Oshawa, Clarkson-Oakville) aren't that far apart making my spacing not that outrageous.
Ajax to Whitby is 7km...you mentioned subway-like spacings of less than 2km. If I'm coming in from Oshawa or Newmarket, I certainly don't want the train stopping every 2 minutes, or I'll just get in my car.
Dummy, local and regional transit are TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES. They may exist in the same city but they don't co-exist beyond Union and even there only during rush hour.
And it's going to stay this way for the next century? There will never be a GTA transit body and no form of fare or network integration? Maybe the TTC will totally take over GO's train routes...why shouldn't we let the province improve the lines as much and as fast as possible before some degree of integration occurs? At the very least, the TTC cannot plan for the future without considering what GO will do. Your subway plan (or elevated ICTS plan, whatever) will take decades to build even if billions were available now. Meanwhile, every GO line could see all-day service before a single new km of TTC rapid transit is built.
Wow, kudos on your new-found optimism. It's amusing how you hard-press subways to suburban sprawl 'town centres' at all costs even at the expense of more pressing, warranted lines priorities and issues (new vehicles anyone?) yet you suddenly throw in the towel for the only place in Sauga that could support a subway.
Theoretically, in the long-term, the subway could and maybe should go to Square One, but if a Hurontario LRT, a few seriously beefed up GO lines, and, yes, maybe even a busway, all combine to reduce "demand" for a subway to a trickle, why should this city spend billions of dollars on it when it possibly means delaying routes like Don Mills or Queen? Or if it means delaying bus replacement (something you're suddenly concerned with). The whole Dundas corridor may see massive growth, which would encourage a subway, but MCC may stall and see shrinking populations and a loss of jobs in 20 years, which would mean a subway would be useless...it's just too unpredictable right now.
Now what the **** is he babbling about
You know exactly what I'm talking about...you're just causing a ruckus. When they extended the Spadina line north of Wilson, it stopped at Downsview, inexplicably not continuing on to York, the only thing north of Wilson. Kipling to Square One would be 10 or 11 new kilometres of subway...it's not exactly a sure thing.