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Did you really need to quote the entire article?
Which would also include a subway. The only people that'd benefit more from LRT than subway are people out past Markham road, which I think we can all agree is a hilariously small demographic of Sheppard's ridership.Tessema would welcome any improvements to his commute.
I'm sure he would ... but given that he is looking at 15-km of his current route being replaced by LRT, then it would cost over $4.5-billion to build this as subway. I expect that the poor guy would have retired by the time the subway gets to Meadowvale!Which would also include a subway.
You know very well that I was talking about an extension to STC, which would have benefitted him a lot as well.I'm sure he would ... but given that he is looking at 15-km of his current route being replaced by LRT, then it would cost over $4.5-billion to build this as subway. I expect that the poor guy would have retired by the time the subway gets to Meadowvale!
There were plans to build a subway up until 2007, which existed for over a decade.Anyway, as there are no plans to build a subway, I don't see how that is relevant to this thread. Perhaps that should be in one of the fantasy threads ...
Bus riders looking forward to Sheppard LRTThe volume of commuters was also a surprise.
I was expecting a packed bus of my high school and university days where people were stuffed into the bus and spilled over the white line and practically onto the back steps, but that never materialized. Maybe that's what the ride is like earlier in the morning or maybe the TTC has addressed those conditions by adding more buses, either way the bus got full, but not stuffed.
It wasn't until McCowan Road before a significant number of people got on (17) or off (12).
Reducing the number of lanes of vehicle traffic might slow down the non-TTC user's commute, which could help make the LRT a more attractive option and reduce the number of cars on the road (increasing ridership and decreasing the harm to our air).
She's usually boarding an eastbound bus around 5 or 5:30 p.m. (it differs depending on whether she takes the subway to Don Mills station) during the height of rush hour and it takes her an hour to an hour and a half to get to Midland Avenue, compared with the 30 minutes it takes to do the reverse in the morning.
The LRT will be able to carry 3,000 people in a single direction at peak time - it's difficult to compare that to bus capacity because the TTC needs to make transit a more attractive option to attract more riders, said Carr, so it could add more buses to increase capacity, but that wouldn't guarantee anyone would be on them.
I have no idea which of your off-topic fantasies you were referring to ... either way it's $billions more than there's money for, so your not offering him a choice between A and B. Your offering him A or sweet-fudge all.You know very well that I was talking about an extension to STC, which would have benefitted him a lot as well.
For closer than 2 decades ... it sat there, with phase 2 ready to build with funding, and not 1-cent of funding was offered by anyone. Then it was changed to LRT, and suddenly it was 100% funded by senior governments.There were plans to build a subway up until 2007, which existed for over a decade.
Seriously, did your true love get hit by a subway or something? Why is it suddenly so unreasonable for the city to actually be building Rapid Transit instead of glorified streetcars that'll be costing a billion dollars, yet will be showing but half of the benefits of LRT?I have no idea which of your off-topic fantasies you were referring to ... either way it's $billions more than there's money for, so your not offering him a choice between A and B. Your offering him A or sweet-fudge all.
Heard of something called Move Ontario 2020? It's true that nobody was willing to fund it. In fact, nobody was willing to fund anything that started with a t- and ended in -ransit. This is an excellent time for the City and Region to pick up on continuing to expand the RT network, but we're squandering this opportunity so we can get streetcars chugging along pretty little European avenues. If the city asked for the DRL, Sheppard, Eglinton, the B-D extension, etc, we most certainly would have gotten it. There's still a bunch of money that can come out of Metrolinx and further future provincial and federal funding (probably federal.)For closer than 2 decades ... it sat there, with phase 2 ready to build with funding, and not 1-cent of funding was offered by anyone. Then it was changed to LRT, and suddenly it was 100% funded by senior governments.
Ok, well then you're wrong. I don't own a car, don't ever plan to. I only pass Sheppard once or twice a month on the bus on McCowan down to STC, and otherwise the only time that I go on it is to transfer to the Sheppard Subway or shop at Fairview Mall! Yet there's a pretty long list of things that I'd do to convince the city that we should be building subways instead of Streetcars.As no one is really that stupid, the only conclusion I can draw that anyone suggesting that subway be reinstated is merely a Nimby who is more concerned about losing a lane for their cars.
Why are you asking this? I use the subway every day.Seriously, did your true love get hit by a subway or something?
Have you not read this thread? It has been explained in detail why it's not feasible.Why is it suddenly so unreasonable for the city to actually be building Rapid Transit instead of glorified streetcars that'll be costing a billion dollars, yet will be showing but half of the benefits of LRT?.
No, I haven't heard of it; perhaps you could explain it to me.Heard of something called Move Ontario 2020?
And yet you are trying so hard to sabotage transit in this city. Did your true love jump in front of a CLRV?Ok, well then you're wrong. I don't own a car, don't ever plan to.
Interesting, because I recall pages and pages of discussion as to how it is very feasible. In fact, the only major anti-subway proponent in this thread is you. Everyone else has noted how subway could easily be built for $250 million with straight tunnel boring, making Sheppard's full cost no more than $2 billion in total. This number could very well be lower, so it's less than a billion dollars more expensive than the current LRT. The subway to Agincourt, if you're mimicking the route of the SELRT perfectly, would probably be close to, if not cost-neutral with the LRT.Have you not read this thread? It has been explained in detail why it's not feasible.
Well, one upon a time, there was a great man named Dalton McGunity who became Premier of a fine Province called Ontario. Looking back on the years of his predecessor, which were strewn with budget cuts and project cancellations, he decided that it would be important to jumpstart infrastructure in the Province, especially transit, which hadn't seen any notable expansion anywhere in almost 30 years. So he decided to generously give billions of dollars of government money to fund dozens upon dozens of projects throughout the GGH, the front of the province's growth. He also created a board to help revolutionize transit in the region by managing and helping fund all the projects that would happen to get the GGH back on track.No, I haven't heard of it; perhaps you could explain it to me.
I'm just being a responsible citizen. I know how important subways are for the city, and I know that we need to make sure the city gets the infrastructure it needs. Especially since having a proper network inside Toronto will mean better and more efficient transit throughout the GTA, I figure it's important for me to do this.And yet you are trying so hard to sabotage transit in this city. Did your true love jump in front of a CLRV?
That sentance doesn't even make any sense. With over 1000 posts in this thread, your position is that everyone poster has said that it could be built for $250-million a kilometre? I'm calling bullshit! These masturbatory fantasies have to stop! There's no way that you can build 8-km of subway for $2-billion. And even if you could the budget is only about $1-billion.Everyone else has noted how subway could easily be built for $250 million with straight tunnel boring, making Sheppard's full cost no more than $2 billion in total.]
Kinky ... get a room.We have our plan let's beaver away.
No I didn't ... I share the same frustration; which is why I keep encouraging those advocating the cancelling of the project which is the subject of this thread to take it somewhere else.I think you missed the point of urbanboom's post.
The other point alluded to in that article is the need for segregated lanes. That's the real benefit of LRT. But do we need to spend hundred of millions of dollars to get that?