MDV3
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sorry guys but im very comfused right now....
What is the current situation for subway and RT in Toronto????
What is the current situation for subway and RT in Toronto????
Lol ask again after the next provincial election!!!
If one has to build specially segregated bus lanes, which have to be wide, why not build them as segregated light rail which would be narrower than most bus lanes.
I frequently travel on Allen Rd / Dufferin. The bus-only lanes between Sheppard Ave and Finch Hydro Corridor work well and most of drivers obey them. Occassionally a rogue driver zooms there to bypass traffic, but I have not seen buses being blocked by cars.
Though, I would not predict that curbside lanes will work equally well everywhere, based just on that example. That section of Allen / Dufferin is a mini-expressway, not many cars using the curbside lane to access retail parking lots between the traffic lights. On a street with another character, the traffic patterns might be different and less favorable for curbside transit.
I used to live in the Eglinton / Bathurst area. Sections of Eglinton West around there have curbside HOV lanes, but they are of little help since delivery tracks etc park there even during the morning rush.
In many cases, yes. If we are going through the pain of ripping up the street to add transit lanes, could as well install rails in those lanes.
One exception is when existing lanes are re-designated as transit-only lanes. In that case, painting them as transit-only is many times cheaper and faster than installing rail.
Really?I used to live in the Eglinton / Bathurst area. Sections of Eglinton West around there have curbside HOV lanes, but they are of little help since delivery tracks etc park there even during the morning rush.
Except that doing curbside lanes vs doing in-median lanes is a completely different exercise. Curbside is just a road widening, none of the median structures need to be changed. Doing in-median is literally a complete reconstruction of the entire roadway. It's building an addition onto a house vs ripping it down and building an entirely new one.
I would have to say "just a widening" is not exactly as simple as paving over the grass between the sidewalk and road. Any additional lane on the road would require relocating sewers to the new inside lane and a total resurfacing of the pavement to ensure the lowest part of the road is in the new HOV lane. Obviously at this point light pole relocation and sidewalk work would have to be undertaken.
Not overly complicated and definitely not on the same level as in median work, but still something that would take time and money.
it costs OVER DOUBLE PER KM to do LRT than it does BRT
To start off with, you just need it to be able to bypass the problem spots.
Are you including vehicle purchases and garage construction in either of those numbers?
Viva is my usual example of BRT/pre-BRT because I ride it. I like what they are doing, but they are leaving the problem spots for last.
They are:
- Single tracking the busway at the Highway 7/404 chokepoint
- AFAIK, not doing anything in narrow downtown Richmond Hill
- Not building anything on Yonge between Finch and Highway 7 in hopes of getting a subway there instead
Surface LRT makes its money back during operations. It has less drivers per passenger carried, lower energy costs per passenger carried, has a greater impact on land value increases, has a greater impact on ridership increases, and has lower greenhouse gas emissions. If the demand is there to support LRT it is throwing money away to not have LRT.