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syn said:
This is the same kind of logic that says LRT = Streetcar. Spock would be ashamed ;)

A subway involves a particular classification of vehicle - it doesn't just mean something's underground.

That's why the Eglinton LRT isn't being called a subway. It's also the reason the Harbourfront Streetcar, which runs underground south of Union, isn't called a subway either.
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Thats silly. A subway is an underground train. Full stop. The Eglinton LRT is a subway for half its length. The reason we refer to it as an LRT is because the other half is not grade separated. With that in mind, metro would probably be the better terminology since it doesn't imply above or below grade, merely grade separated.
 
Rainforest said:
Riders don't care about specific types of vehicles, they care about speed / convenience / connections. You can call ECLRT or Ottawa Confederation Line an LRT, nevertheless they will be operationally more like subways than like suburban light rail lines.

Not to say suburban light rail lines are bad; there is place for them too. However, the public will always be more excited about lines designed like Ottawa Confederation, or Edmonton / Calgary light rail line lines that take the riders right into the city centre.
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Branches also help. seeing multiple at-grade branches sharing an expensive grade-separated tunnel is also something that those other cities have and what Toronto (Eglinton) failed at.
 
BurlOak said:
Branches also help. seeing multiple at-grade branches sharing an expensive grade-separated tunnel is also something that those other cities have and what Toronto (Eglinton) failed at.
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Not entirely failed though. The portion under construction these days, has no branches. That doesn't preclude branches being added when the line is extended, particularly in the west where the tunneled section extends quite far from Yonge.
 
denfromoakvillemilton said:
David Miller has not been in office in 10 years. Transit City was more politically inconvienent then poorly designed. I would not call less then 40 percent of the popular vote a majority, just saying.
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So lets go further post Millers transit legacy:
  • 90% of Scarborough councillors support subways
  • Past 2 Mayors (runner up also large support in Scarb)
  • Past 2 Premier support subways
  • 100% MPPs in Scarborough support subways
  • Previous PM vocal support and current held funding
40%? Add in the MPP Liberal voters....Heck even the NDP leadership or and Scarborough candidates would dare not mention the LRT here. Some even vocally supported subways

That really only leaves a few entitled Left wing Downtown councillors, and affiliated Left special interest/union groups supporting this highly unwanted plan. It really is a majority for people that matter and are impacted the most. It could be another 10 years from now and 100% support to do better and some would still be talking over these residents..

These overwhelming democratic numbers are the unfortunate legacy left from a very poorly detailed transit plan. York region is beyond lucky it doesn't have to deal with a this over the top desire by a few outsiders, unwilling to budge to work on the details and continually trying force such poorly designed unwanted attempt at rapid transit
 
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OneCity said:
York region is beyond lucky it doesn't have to deal with a this over the top desire to build such a poorly designed narrow attempt at rapid transit. These overwhelming democratic numbers are the unfortunate legacy left from of a poorly detailed plan.
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York Region cant even implement proper bus service, let alone any kind of fantasy rapid transit they have on their mind. They shouldnt even be mentioned in the same breath as even Mississauga, Brampton or any other surrounding municipality when it comes to transit.

But i'm sure the former Minister of Announcements (Del Duca) will somehow be their saving grace!
 
This thread is becoming a general catch all thread for transit arguments and politics. Would it be wise to create a thread specifically for GTA/Ontario Transit Operations, Finances, and Politics? Or should these individual arguements be kept to their specific thread on the referred to project?
 
Tuck said:
Thats silly. A subway is an underground train. Full stop. The Eglinton LRT is a subway for half its length. The reason we refer to it as an LRT is because the other half is not grade separated. With that in mind, metro would probably be the better terminology since it doesn't imply above or below grade, merely grade separated.
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Only three of the 13 stops on Ottawa's new LRT line are underground. Why on earth would anyone refer to it as a subway?

Is the Spadina line not a subway because it's above ground for five stations? Does the Bloor-Danforth Line cease to be a subway after Main Street?

Maybe we should just build a 'subway' north of Finch that's actually just underground LRT in some parts.
 
Montreal's Metro trains are the same width as Toronto legacy streetcars. The Crosstown and Finch West LRT vehicles will be WIDER than a Montreal Metro car.

Toronto subway trains are wider than streetcars, Montreal's Metro trains, and the Crosstown and Finch West LRT vehicles.
 
W. K. Lis said:
Montreal's Metro trains are the same width as Toronto legacy streetcars. The Crosstown and Finch West LRT vehicles will be WIDER than a Montreal Metro car.
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Someone should tell Montrealers they're being treated like 2nd class citizens ;)

Someone should also tell Scarberians they already have a 'subway' (the Eglinton LRT) currently under construction.
 
syn said:
Someone should tell Montrealers they're being treated like 2nd class citizens ;)

Someone should also tell Scarberians they already have a 'subway' (the Eglinton LRT) currently under construction.
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But the RT is still running, which demotes the people to 2nd class citizens
 
hw621 said:
But the RT is still running, which demotes the people to 2nd class citizens
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Based on the new revelations we have, the RT is a subway.

Ford's contention is that any LRT is akin to treating them like 2nd class citizens. Apparently that's only true for Scarborough, but not anywhere else. Strange.
 
OneCity said:
So lets go further post Millers transit legacy:
  • 90% of Scarborough councillors support subways
  • Past 2 Mayors (runner up also large support in Scarb)
  • Past 2 Premier support subways
  • 100% MPPs in Scarborough support subways
  • Previous PM vocal support and current held funding
40%? Add in the MPP Liberal voters....Heck even the NDP leadership or and Scarborough candidates would dare not mention the LRT here. Some even vocally supported subways

That really only leaves a few entitled Left wing Downtown councillors, and affiliated Left special interest/union groups supporting this highly unwanted plan. It really is a majority for people that matter and are impacted the most. It could be another 10 years from now and 100% support to do better and some would still be talking over these residents..

These overwhelming democratic numbers are the unfortunate legacy left from a very poorly detailed transit plan. York region is beyond lucky it doesn't have to deal with a this over the top desire by a few outsiders, unwilling to budge to work on the details and continually trying force such poorly designed unwanted attempt at rapid transit
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That's not the entire story. Firstly, this all started because of Sobrara and his developments. The same people against Scarborough were against Vaughan. The Mcguinty government refused to suppot funding for the University extenstion without it. Done. When transit city came, there was not real noise except places like here, against it. Transit city was not awful, and it was not designed to cut off Scarborough, it was designed to save money. Ford canceled everything. What you posted was Ford's legacy. And still, nothing has been built yet other then Yonge North proceeding. I don't even think there will be shovels in the ground by 2022. TTC is dragging their feet.
 
Amare said:
York Region cant even implement proper bus service, let alone any kind of fantasy rapid transit they have on their mind. They shouldnt even be mentioned in the same breath as even Mississauga, Brampton or any other surrounding municipality when it comes to transit.

But i'm sure the former Minister of Announcements (Del Duca) will somehow be their saving grace!
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Durham Region, Burlington, Oakville, Hamilton. Milton will be much better to 10 years from now, bet on it. Somehow, this Yonge extension will be built and local bus service will still be awful.
 
They better get there act together because all our upgrades to GO and the Subway will mean absolutely nothing if the last mile is still unusable. Metrolinx is also part of the problem here since they need to drop the "Drive to GO Stations" attitude and start designing there stations as actual transit hubs. The TTC's Bus/Subway feeder system is exactly what Metrolinx and the Municipalities must pursue if they are to be successful.
 
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