marcus_a_j
Senior Member
Speaking of prioritizing transit projects, John Lorinc's most recent article on Spacing.ca is about that.
Richmond Hill Yonge Line 1 North Subway Extension | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx
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TJ O'Pootertoot
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Oh yeah - I meant to post that yesterday. Even if I don't agree with every word, it's well-written, especially compared to some of the other stuff that's come out the past few days. Good article.
minilude
Active Member
I was quite disappointed last year when the so-called "billions" of transit investments were revealed - mississauga, brampton, hamilton, with no insight into the spine of the GTA - the central corridor. Even the GO-RER has ignored Richmond Hill GO. Epic fail.
TJ O'Pootertoot
Senior Member
In fairness, aside from technical issues on the RH GO line (i.e. flooding), it was "ignored" for the same reason York Region hasn't just given up and built BRT on Yonge: to boost the case for Yonge subway. It's quite a pretzel we've tied ourselves into.
Palma
Senior Member
York planning intensification has nothing to do whether they get a subway. They should have or be championing for more GO stations
TJ O'Pootertoot
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minilude
Active Member
you should stop this. you can say ridership does not justify a subway, you can say the political climate does not favour a subway, you can say Canada/Ontario/Toronto/York does not have money to build a subway, but this 416 vs 905 should stop.
Cobra
Senior Member
Tell that to the York Councillors telling media and most likely Ottawa as well that Yonge being currently overcapacity is a myth and the subway should be extended regardless of what happens to people using it within Toronto.
Also that Toronto "dominates" the transit agenda...Are they for real??? A subway into York will open 3 to 4 years before Eglinton Crosstown.
The reality is, a subway extension is impossible until the Relief Line (Long) is built.
BMO
Senior Member
FTFY
TJ O'Pootertoot
Senior Member
This really nails it, Cobra.
I don't know what timing has to do with it but Eglinton would have been open first if TORONTO CITY COUNCIL hadn't cancelled it. Remember this?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/rob-ford-transit-city-is-over-1.926388
Without that vote, BY CITY COUNCIL, the Crosstown would be open now.
But, by all means, let's talk about how the project CITY COUNCIL delayed is opening later than a project that is, as BMO notes, mostly in Toronto. Oh, and that one's delayed 2 years because of TTC's world-class project management.
Unlike Toronto, York Region came up with a single plan and have consistently planned for it and consistently moved forward trying to fund it. When they got money for Viva, they built it. It's open, on-time and on budget.
So, that's some strange ammo to bring to a fight trying to prove York Region could learn some things from Toronto about transit planning, but you run with it, dawg.
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Cobra
Senior Member
You're funny!!!!
Eglinton Crosstown wasn't delayed by Rob Ford, the rest of Transit City was. It will open by 2020/2021 as planned.
TJ O'Pootertoot
Senior Member
It wasn't cancelled by Ford, like the rest of TC but it was delayed as a result of all those shenanigans. As you may recall, he was trying to bury the whole thing. If you don't recall, you can find it anywhere but here's one:
With Toronto mayor Rob Ford vetoing proposals to operate LRT lines on street, the Eglinton-Crosstown LRT acquired an all-underground route and an extension along the alignment of the SCARBOROUGH RT. Costs ballooned to nearly $8.1 billion before Toronto City Council vetoed Ford’s decision in February 2012, restoring the partially at-grade alignment.
Either way, the timing of its opening has nothing to do with nothing. You seem to imply that the subway opening first is some sort of proof Toronto isn't the dominant force in regional transit planning. The lack of logic is too difficult to even parse. Suffice it to say: it isn't remotely logical.
Moreover, if the Crosstown does open "on time" it will be because Metrolinx built it. Toronto hasn't delivered a capital project on time or on budget since Caesar reigned in Rome.
Point is, you have no point.
Amare
Senior Member
^I usually disagree on Pootertoot on almost everything regarding the YSNE, but he's right regarding the Eglinton line. Ford delayed the Crosstown line since McGuinty was scared of Ford Nation at the time, and as a result the province didnt finalize the project since McGuinty wanted to compromise with Ford. Long story short, the project was delayed due to Ford.
But let's be honest we wasted 4 years of transit planning and construction in Toronto because of RoFo's consistent delusion. So in a way, every transit project that's currently in the planning phase in Toronto - including the YSNE -has been delayed by 4 years.
But let's be honest we wasted 4 years of transit planning and construction in Toronto because of RoFo's consistent delusion. So in a way, every transit project that's currently in the planning phase in Toronto - including the YSNE -has been delayed by 4 years.
44 North
Senior Member
Hard to keep track of so many plans, but was the Crosstown actually delayed? I thought the tunneling portion started right when it was supposed to. And was it really "City Council" that canceled Transit City, or the Executive Committee? Cuz wasn't the whole point about TC being revived was that it was never truly cancelled to begin with - since Council never had a say?
As for YSNE and the solution for Relief, I think many are forgetting that Metrolinx is undertaking their own study (YRNS) - something that's entirely separate from the City's plans. The time that took to start isn't the City's doing. Once the RTP modeling numbers came in back in 08, it was glaringly obvious that a Relief line was needed before YNSE could proceed. TO requested to Metrolinx to upgrade a Relief Line in their RTP/Big Move, but it took Metrolinx like five years to finally acknowledge this. That's when they started their YRNS (which is at least a year behind TO's RL study, maybe two). And as recent news suggests, pols in York Region still haven't acknowledged any of this. It seems they spent almost a decade under the impression YNSE was imminent. None of these things are Ford's doing, or Council's for that matter.
nfitz
Superstar
The delay to Eglinton was announced in May 2010; at that time, Smitherman was leading the polls.
Only 14 months into Ford's mayoralty council voted to confirm that Finch West, Eglinton, and the SRT were all to be LRT, and a month later they confirmed Sheppard East as well.
Ford didn't delay Eglinton much if anything, and didn't delay the other project by years; that was the decision of the McGuinty and later Wynne governments.