If they follow the same formula used in the Spadina extension, no.
However, there are some benefits to this. Toronto should have exclusive control over the operation of the line. But my preferred arrangement will be for Toronto to have exclusive control over operation of the extension and for York Region to pick up the expenses.
Ultimately, the TTC and the various York Region transit services will fold into one. It doesn't make much sense to have multiple groups operating what will effectively be a single transportation system. Whether this will be operated by TTC or Metrolinx is yet to be seen.
The Toronto Transit Commission. It's been that way since at least Metro Toronto was formed in the 50s.
Thank you for the answers.
I've been busy since I recently bought a townhouse in Liberty Village. I think asking questions is the best thing do before giving an opinion on something so here's mine. As a transit enthusiast, the more transit the better. As a Toronto taxpayer, I do have an issue with it.
1-I'm not against the principle of York Region having a subway, or thinking regionally about how transit is planned and delivered. However, I do believe that the way things are being done NOW is unfair to Scarborough at this time.
If they follow the same formula used in the Spadina extension, no.
However, there are some benefits to this. Toronto should have exclusive control over the operation of the line. But my preferred arrangement will be for Toronto to have exclusive control over operation of the extension and for York Region to pick up the expenses.
I feel that this formula is not good enough. The Vaughan extension is a copy/paste of Laval extension in Montreal. Montreal keeps all the fares, have exclusive control over the operation of the line and yet Montreal has made not only Laval and Longueuil pay their share of operating costs but also all the surrounding suburbs as well. This was the only way to be fair to the Montreal taxpayers and those who have been waiting for the Blue line extension for years. But we see eye to eye on that since you do favor that formula too.
Ultimately, the TTC and the various York Region transit services will fold into one. It doesn't make much sense to have multiple groups operating what will effectively be a single transportation system. Whether this will be operated by TTC or Metrolinx is yet to be seen.
This would be the best scenario. If everything was under Metrolinx, this argument would be pointless. My problem here is that you and others use the words "ultimately, eventually, probably". Only Hudak brought it up so far. From a Toronto taxpayer's perspective, it's unacceptable.
So, in the meantime, my taxes will give subway service to York Region, yet their taxes won't pay for the maintenance and operating costs... Toronto taxpayers would prefer their taxes to enhance the rapid transit network within their city until the TTC gets uploaded or the the GTA or whoever gets the subway helps pay for the bill.
At least if the Ontario government was subsidizing the TTC, we could make the argument that everyone in the region is paying for the TTC so building subways outside of city limits makes sense...
This is where Toronto unique situation is unique. Many cities in North America and Europe extends their subways outside their city limits. Unlike Toronto, cities like Montreal, New York, Chicago, Paris and London are subsidize by regional, provincial, states or/and federal governments as well.
This is not the case here. TTC's revenue is from the fares and the city of Toronto subsidy which came from Toronto taxpayers. That's a huge burden compare to anywhere else on the continent. So we pay so that York can have a subway. It doesn't make sense.
Do I blame York? Not really. I blame Toronto's city council. Like snake said before, "they failed this city." I'll even quote Karen Stinz during the LRT vs Subway debate : "We failed this city"
Until Toronto gets a better deal on the York extension or the TTC get's uploaded, I have to disagree with that extension.
The Toronto Transit Commission. It's been that way since at least Metro Toronto was formed in the 50s.
There has been comparisons between York Region getting a subway and North York, Scarborough and Etobicoke getting the extension.
On the Island of Montreal, the STM used to be STCUM. Even if you lived in a city that was not part of Montreal, the island's (Westmont, Hampstead, Kirland etc...) taxpayers paid their share to operate the STCUM including subways. Despite that, the subway conveniently avoids to enter their city except for (Verdun, Lasalle and Ville St-Laurent. I disagree with that since i feel there's an anglo vs franco source). There was an outrage when the Laval extension was announced.
So, to my understanding, North York, Scarborough and Etobicoke have been paying taxes to the TTC since the 50s. For the subway to be extended to those part of the city made sense.
If York Region would have the same taxation model than Laval or if the TTC was provincially subsidized, it would be fine. But as a taxpayer, it annoys me that my city is doing that.
From a transit planning, ridership point of view, the extension should be made. From a taxpayer's point of view, it sucks and it's an annoyance. If I owned in Scarborough, it think I'd be beyond pissed.
and BTW
Laval being a copy of what the Richmond Hill extension will look like since the Orange line works exactly like the Yonge line. It's been great for the Lavallois but it's been horrible for Montrealers ever since. Even with the short turning of trains, the service has been terrible ever since and they don;t know what to do. The new trains won't fix anything. Montrealers are extremely dissatisfy with the service and see no benefits from it.
DRL must be build to Eglinton as a strict minimum or the Yonge line be just like the Orange line