Voltz
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If there is a cab at both ends it is probably on the right side at each end, so you would not see the window for it on both ends on each side.
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Duck
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[video=youtube;4AtgLbP2nN0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AtgLbP2nN0[/video]
"I'm amazed at how it sounds like a vehicle... like a truck, or a big SUV"
Yup, just like the O-Train, which is a bus on a track. Transmission and all. Fantastic.
Electrification can't come soon enough. And I hope they just decide it's not worth the bother to retro the Sumitomo's and just ditch them for something that doesn't look like it was designed in Soviet Russia.
"I'm amazed at how it sounds like a vehicle... like a truck, or a big SUV"
Yup, just like the O-Train, which is a bus on a track. Transmission and all. Fantastic.
Electrification can't come soon enough. And I hope they just decide it's not worth the bother to retro the Sumitomo's and just ditch them for something that doesn't look like it was designed in Soviet Russia.
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Adjei
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I doubt they would do that. I can just see the headlines of it being called a waste all over the papers.
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Duck
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Yep, like throwing away the rt?
Platform 27
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I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think so.
The one cab end we have seen has clearly shown front windows on both sides of the centre gangway and assorted other paraphernalia like striping and road numbers and lights and the like. If those features were on both ends of each car, I think they would be visible from this angle. Instead it looks like a blank silver metal wall:
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Duck
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It could be presumed that when they run in a 2-car formation, it'll consist of (1) end car and (1) centre car... and when they want to do 3-car formations, they'll plug the second end car back on.
It's easier to remove an end car than it is to remove a centre car and stick the ends together. So while I still think that Voltz has it right (cab is always on the right, so you just don't see it in the photo above), I guess it could be like what I just described and only have a cab at one end.
It's easier to remove an end car than it is to remove a centre car and stick the ends together. So while I still think that Voltz has it right (cab is always on the right, so you just don't see it in the photo above), I guess it could be like what I just described and only have a cab at one end.
mdrejhon
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The blank area would be the baggage rack area.
I understand that the cabs are in opposite corners, where the small windows are, to the right side when facing an end. So the other cab (leftmost) is on the opposite side (not visible).
I understand that the cabs are in opposite corners, where the small windows are, to the right side when facing an end. So the other cab (leftmost) is on the opposite side (not visible).
smallspy
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Now keeping in mind that the car is clearly not fully assembled - it seems to be missing a fair amount of paraphernalia on the roof - it is also missing a pilot on the near end, which would be required for it to lead from this end and do so at track speed. And a pilot is a big enough assembly that it wouldn't be something assembled after the fact - just look at the other end of the car.
No, it looks like the information I was given was wrong - the C cars will only have a cab at one end.
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GO Train was doing the back-and-forth on track 4 on the Weston sub again this morning. Interesting note: it had 3 coaches in the new livery. First time I've seen that, most I had seen in the past was 2.
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The back-and-forth consisted of a UPX set on "T4" and a 10-2 GO set on "T3". Their movements were limited to the area around the 401 underpass. The whole thing was to test how the UPX equipment behaves in the underpass when meeting a GO train at full speed. Both the GO and UPX trains were wired with some high tech camera/sensor gadgetry. They basically lined up on either side of the underpass, and on command, they accelerated at each other and met inside the underpass. The movements would not have done much to settle the track structure west of the Etobicoke North GO station.
This was the first time I had seen the middle track in use. Looks like there are now three usable tracks from Humberview west to Wice.
To pick my own nit - the eb signals at Humberview label the three operational tracks as T1, T2, and T3 even though they are tracks 2, 3, and 4 counting from the north. The signal for the true track 1 is labelled 1024N1 and the true tracks 2-4 are 1024T1-T3. So my reference to T4 is not really correct from an operational perspective. I'm just being stubborn as my own little way of reminding Metrolinx to get on with adding the fourth track
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This was the first time I had seen the middle track in use. Looks like there are now three usable tracks from Humberview west to Wice.
To pick my own nit - the eb signals at Humberview label the three operational tracks as T1, T2, and T3 even though they are tracks 2, 3, and 4 counting from the north. The signal for the true track 1 is labelled 1024N1 and the true tracks 2-4 are 1024T1-T3. So my reference to T4 is not really correct from an operational perspective. I'm just being stubborn as my own little way of reminding Metrolinx to get on with adding the fourth track
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Ah, that’s a nice side-by-side comparison of the different rolling stock we have now. These trains look pretty good. Not a big fan of the two-tone sludgy greens, though aside from that I wouldn’t mind seeing these trains for RER (as EMUs, of course).
But that video. You could really hear the roar. I’m glad Kevin Frankish was frank-ish about pointing that out. And that grinding sound didn’t sound great either (tho that'll probably be fixed before opening). That was extremely high for an elevated line.
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Does that mean they were checking how air turbulence from a GO train might buffet the much smaller UP train in an enclosed space?
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Yes. I don't know if the concern is generic to all the tunnels, or just with that one location.
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Well I think we can all agree that it's a tight squeeze for three tracks in the existing tunnel. The dynamic envelopes for each train probably got really close or touched on paper. Nothing beats measurements in the field though.