Toronto The One | 328.4m | 91s | Mizrahi Developments | Foster + Partners

UpwithOlives · Sep 5, 2022

JT20 said:
There is absolutely zero chance there will be interim occupancy in 2024. That's why it's tentative. They will be able to push the occupancy back many times until the outside date that's written in the tarion page of the aps. Due to covid tarion will even allow them to change that date too.
If the recent rumours of the projects financing falling through is incorrect and the project continues, then 2028 is more likely if you extrapolate based on the speed which the project is moving forward (keep in mind speed slows down as it moves up due to higher winds and logistic).

Please explain how higher winds slow down a project? There are many examples of 300m buildings that seem to keep pace just fine through topping out, which will be more like the end of 2024 for this building.

MichaelZ · Sep 5, 2022

I was looking at the floorplans for the 6th floor lobby and it seems like the hallways are incredibly narrow, am I just overestimating how much space is needed for a residential/hotel lobby?

See https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2022/07/flying-through-6th-floor-mizrahis-one

It says 2.19m width for the main elevator lobby, 1.3m width for the hallway to the amenity space, and 1.2m (!) width for the hallway through the spa area.

Northern Light · Sep 5, 2022

MichaelZ said:
I was looking at the floorplans for the 6th floor lobby and it seems like the hallways are incredibly narrow, am I just overestimating how much space is needed for a residential/hotel lobby?

See https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2022/07/flying-through-6th-floor-mizrahis-one

It says 2.19m width for the main elevator lobby, 1.3m width for the hallway to the amenity space, and 1.2m (!) width for the hallway through the spa area.

Interesting, the minimum width of exterior pathways in the AODA is 1.5M

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The City of Toronto's design guidelines specify a minimum hallway widtth of 1.1M; but, if there's a dead end, there must be 1.6M to allow for the turning movement of a mobility aid.

https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/u...f-Toronto-Accessibility-Design-Guidelines.pdf See p.59

The Ontario Building Code likewise specifies minimum interior hallway width of 1.1M

The Ontario Building Code | Width of Corridors

See. Section 9.9.3.3

travis3000 · Sep 5, 2022

UpwithOlives said:
Please explain how higher winds slow down a project? There are many examples of 300m buildings that seem to keep pace just fine through topping out, which will be more like the end of 2024 for this building.

I would say his synopsis is a tad pessimistic to say the least haha. No way it's another 6 years before anyone moves in. That's delusional.

MichaelZ · Sep 5, 2022

Northern Light said:
Interesting, the minimum width of exterior pathways in the AODA is 1.5M

Law Document English View

Welcome to the new e-Laws. It’s now easier than ever to find Ontario laws. We welcome your feedback.

www.ontario.ca

The City of Toronto's design guidelines specify a minimum hallway widtth of 1.1M; but, if there's a dead end, there must be 1.6M to allow for the turning movement of a mobility aid.

https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/u...f-Toronto-Accessibility-Design-Guidelines.pdf See p.59

The Ontario Building Code likewise specifies minimum interior hallway width of 1.1M

The Ontario Building Code | Width of Corridors

See. Section 9.9.3.3

Thanks for the links. It confirms my suspicion that it's at or only slightly above the bare minimum.

For reference, a normal hallway width in a condo built in the 90s in the suburbs is ~1.5m. And that's on a random floor with foot traffic of less than 1 person per minute.

So a 1.3m or 1.2m hallway is really tiny for a high usage area like the lobby of 500+ condo units and a hotel.