Toronto The Notable | 171.6m | 50s | Graywood | Turner Fleischer

Decision Report - Approval Recommended to the next meeting of TEYCC:


@HousingNowTO should be told about this bit:

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So, all the projecting balconies have been replaced with Juliet balconies. I wonder what else may be hidden in the changes. We will look!

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Paclo said:
Stat changes are as follows:
  • Total residential units decreased from 409 to 375
  • Total bicycle parking decreased from 451 to 414
  • Unit mix redistributions
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Small drop in the number of studio units (49 to 45), big drop in the number of one bedrooms (217 to 143), no change in the number of two bedrooms, but a higher than normal percentage (135, now 36%), and a big increase in the number of three bedroom suites, making for a healthy percentage here too (8 to 52, and 13.9%). Interesting — we're moving away from investor suites here.

Still 4 elevators, so down from 1 elevator per 102 suites to 1 elevator per 94 suites, nice!

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I would definitely buy a 3 bedroom apartment at Yonge and St. Clair if I had kids and wanted to live close to the subway. (Theoretically speaking; I already have a two+den apartment near the subway. But this looks like a great building for families with that many 3 bedrooms.) I wonder what the suites look like, though. Size, layout and closet space are all important if you want kids in an apartment. Cramming 3 bedrooms into 900 sf isn't it.
 
evandyk said:
I would definitely buy a 3 bedroom apartment at Yonge and St. Clair if I had kids and wanted to live close to the subway. (Theoretically speaking; I already have a two+den apartment near the subway. But this looks like a great building for families with that many 3 bedrooms.) I wonder what the suites look like, though. Size, layout and closet space are all important if you want kids in an apartment. Cramming 3 bedrooms into 900 sf isn't it.
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I would agree with you in theory, however we lived in a 730sf 2 bedroom and it was lovely. We really never wanted for space there. I think you could easily make that into a 3 with the extra 170sf I would think.

Looks like the 50th floor is split into only 4 units too. Great for families, I would think.
 
evandyk said:
I would definitely buy a 3 bedroom apartment at Yonge and St. Clair if I had kids and wanted to live close to the subway. (Theoretically speaking; I already have a two+den apartment near the subway. But this looks like a great building for families with that many 3 bedrooms.) I wonder what the suites look like, though. Size, layout and closet space are all important if you want kids in an apartment. Cramming 3 bedrooms into 900 sf isn't it.
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900 sq ft? Nowadays it's more like 800 -850 sq ft for 3 bedrooms, unless it's a luxury (real, not marketing-speak) project.
 
ProjectEnd said:
I would agree with you in theory, however we lived in a 730sf 2 bedroom and it was lovely. We really never wanted for space there. I think you could easily make that into a 3 with the extra 170sf I would think.
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The minimum recommended dimensions for a bedroom containing a Queen Bed is 10 x 11 or 110ft2. That excludes any closet.

So strictly on the bedroom, very do-able assuming minimal wasted space (hallway) etc.

However, that does depend on whether the additional bedroom triggers other changes such as an additional bathroom or additional full bathroom (conversion of 1/2 to full)

A minimal 4-piece bath is ~35ft2, but I would budget 40. Luxury ensuites can be up to 100ft2, but that is presumably not being added when one goes from 2bdrm to 3brdm

* I know you know a lot of these numbers PE, but I want to include them for others reading along

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I have 1,100ft2 to myself.......and I don't find it crowded, LOL, but one bedroom is converted to my home office, the other is a spare for company. I think the bathroom is under-sized and I only have one, I'd prefer a six-foot soaker tub, but it doesn't fit, and I have a galley kitchen that is definitely too small for when I entertain.

On the other hand my ~250ft2 living room is a bit over-sized, but also awkward, and I have have more than 90ft2 of hallway. Layout matters, alot!
 
We had 1150 sf with one kid and definitely did not feel cramped for space. But our old apartment was 750, and that would have been cramped for sure. That said, I would have taken the tradeoff of living in a cramped space with access to good transit over a bigger space somewhere we'd be car-dependent.
 
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