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slicecom said:
BlogTO article today:
Toronto built a multimillion dollar parking garage and nobody is using it
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Should've stopped reading after "BlogTO"

Summary: St. Lawrence Market's north is "one of TPA's least-used parking lots." yet it sits at about the middle of this table compiled by Matt Elliot:

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At 22% average occupancy, that's far from "the least used" with numbers as low as 3% occupancy in other garages. It's also brand new so familiarity is still building.

Having a garage with regular availability is not a problem, it's desirable. If the city wanted to fix this "problem", then simply get rid of all on-street parking on the Esplanade and widen the sidewalks. The far more numerous pedestrians will appreciate that very much and drivers can still find parking in the new garage.
 
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nightstreak said:
Should've stopped reading after "BlogTO"

Summary: St. Lawrence Market's north is "one of TPA's least-used parking lots." yet it sits at about the middle of this table compiled by Matt Elliot:

1761058024-20251021-st-lawrence-market-parking.jpg


At 22% average occupancy, that's far from "the least used" with numbers as low as 3% occupancy in other garages. It's also brand new so familiarity is still building.

Having a garage with regular availability is not a problem, it's desirable. If the city wanted to fix this "problem", then simply get rid of all on-street parking on the Esplanade and widen the sidewalks. The far more numerous pedestrians will appreciate that very much and drivers can still find parking in the new garage.
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That list only shows the least used lots. There are far more than 21 lots across the city, so being in the middle of the bottom 20 doesn't make things any better.
 
Tuscani01 said:
That list only shows the least used lots. There are far more than 21 lots across the city, so being in the middle of the bottom 20 doesn't make things any better.
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I can make a list of “least used lots” make any lot look bad by simply cutting off wherever is convenient to include it. 22% is not the same as 3%. Many more lots have an average occupancy around the 20’s.
 
nightstreak said:
I can make a list of “least used lots” make any lot look bad by simply cutting off wherever is convenient to include it. 22% is not the same as 3%. Most lots have an average occupancy around the 20’s.
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I count 18 lots that have daily occupancy below 20%

I count 32 lots that have daily occupancy between 20-29%

I count 57 lots that have daily occupancy between 30-39%

I count 68 lots that have daily occupancy between 40-49%

I count 58 lots that have daily occupancy between 50-59%

I count 69 lots that have daily occupancy between 60-69%

I count 76 lots that have daily occupancy between 70-79%

I count 48 lots that have daily occupancy between 80-89%

I count 21 lots that have daily occupancy between 90-99%

I count 26 lots that have daily occupancy at or above 100% (meaning spaces turning over)

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a majority of lots have occupancy at or above 60%

* numbers could be off by 1 or 2 for each, I did a quick count from the file linked above after sorting the occupancy rates from smallest to highest.
 
Edward Skira said:
It was a Monday with nothing happening. I'm sure it looks quite different on a Saturday.
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The problem is it is ONLY used on Saturdays - it is as though the City is unaware that the week has seven days! They have also failed to rent out the supposed restaurant on 2nd floor and he 'coffee shop' on ground level and there are no obvious adverts about either.
 
DSCToronto said:
The problem is it is ONLY used on Saturdays - it is as though the City is unaware that the week has seven days! They have also failed to rent out the supposed restaurant on 2nd floor and he 'coffee shop' on ground level and there are no obvious adverts about either.
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Who would rent from the city when they ad failed to populate and activate the market space beyond the weekend? Franky they should open up the market to 4 days a week to a greater range of sellers.

AoD
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
Who would rent from the city when they ad failed to populate and activate the market space beyond the weekend? Franky they should open up the market to 4 days a week to a greater range of sellers.

AoD
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Absolutely, what a waste. The city can't run anything properly. Bunch of bureaucrats with no idea. If it was their own money, you can bet this place would be humming 7 days a week.
 
I recently noticed that Parkdale has hosted the pin & patch show, as well as the stationary show to great success. Big line ups. There’s also a holiday art fest coming up in Regent park. The antique market is still going on in the south tent. I feel like they need to make themselves more available to event people in this city, even if it means not pulling in a profit for the first bit. It should be a hub. I do know TikTok Canada held a recent event there.
 
Civdis said:
Absolutely, what a waste. The city can't run anything properly. Bunch of bureaucrats with no idea. If it was their own money, you can bet this place would be humming 7 days a week.
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I suspect most of the city is ran mostly fine considering it's size, complexity and infrastructure. However, I will agree that certain areas and assets (such as this one) needs to be looked into and given account for. As I also agree that between Rob Ford penny pinching, glaring incompetence, misaligned priorities and provincial interference over the years hasn't helped much, but that doesn't give them the excuse for building and maintaining a multi-million dollar public facility that sits mostly empty for the year, IMO.
 
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