syn
Senior Member
Yes, it's important to you. And I'm sure it is to a lot of other people too.
However it's clearly not important enough to prevent the Jays selling out on a consistent basis.
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Yes, it's important to you. And I'm sure it is to a lot of other people too.
However it's clearly not important enough to prevent the Jays selling out on a consistent basis.
C-mac
Senior Member
syn
Senior Member
This thread is a bigger indicator than actual attendance and viewership?
A new stadium would be nice. A better fan experience would be great, no doubt. New stuff is always nice. But given other factors, don't agree tearing it down is a wise move.
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
T.E.C.II
Active Member
Because what other choice do they have if they want to see a game live? Fans flock to see games in spite of the stadium, not because of it. They'll also only flock in big numbers to support a winning team. Even then, we're actually closer to the bottom of the league in terms of attendance. So an advantage to a new stadium would be if done right, it would be an attraction in itself.
Out of curiosity, if the Blue Jays built a new stadium, but Rogers Centre was left intact (and used for something else), would you be on board?
C-mac
Senior Member
Bingo! Any stadium will draw fans when the team is winning, it's how you get fans in the stadium when the team isn't winning. It's with a good fan experience.
wopchop
Building Toronto
How anyone can say that since the stadium is 30-years old, it has outlived the historical limit for this kind of stadium is astonishing.
Just mind boggling.
This building is primarily made of concrete and steel - the lifespan of the stadium construction is closer to 100-years than 30-years.
Just mind boggling.
This building is primarily made of concrete and steel - the lifespan of the stadium construction is closer to 100-years than 30-years.
max
Active Member
Well now you've convinced me that we should keep SkyDome since that will incentivize the Jays to put a winning team on the field. If they can fall back on "fan experience" to make money we'll never see another World Series winner!
Richard White
Senior Member
It may be a 100 year lifespan but again the MLB has standards along with the need for suitable and updated amenities.
Just because it is built to last 100 years doesn't mean you can use it that long.
syn
Senior Member
This is not true.
In both 2016 and 2017 the Jays led the AL in attendance.
A new stadium would be an attraction, but that effect is short lived. For all the praise Camden Yards gets, it hasn't had any sort of impact on attendance for decades. They were 1st or 2nd in attendance for about 9 years after the stadium opened (which coincided with some successful years), but after that attendance dropped off significantly.
Even in subsequent years where they had good teams that made the playoffs, their attendance wasn't impressive:
2012 - 7th/14
2014 - 6th/15
2016 - 10th/15
That's a 5 season run of success with 3 playoff appearances and only once did they finish in the top half of AL attendance, despite having a stadium everyone apparently loves.
It really depends on the situation and what they use it for. Probably not - I don't think a stadium is a great use of land for available locations downtown (and I do think the stadium needs to be downtown).
many7695
New Member
I’m not sure what the Rogers Centre can used for other then baseball. It is too small for an NFL. Stadium (about 10,000 seats) plus u would have to add all the new amenities NFL stadium have now, also the Rogers Centre is to big for anything else for it too make enough money to keep the lights on. One of the things that I can see is a total renovation of Rogers (every inch of it plus adding more footprint to Rogers you put in a NFL team then u move Toronto FC (similar what u have in Atlanta and Seattle) by doing this you get an immediate 45 plus events and unlike football and baseball the dimensions of soccer and football are better fitted if done properly. BMO is a really nice stadium but one issue it is not under full control by MLSE, as a Toronto FC I have hoped that MLSE would buy BMO Field from the city I’m not sure if that is even possible.
wopchop
Building Toronto
Why not?
T.E.C.II
Active Member
Nobody is saying the Blue Jays can't draw fans. They obviously can. But they made the playoffs in 2015 and 2016, so naturally attendance would be high, particularly as it had been over 20 years since they had a playoff appearance, and that would have carried over into the 2017 season (in which they would have finished behind the Yankees in terms of AL attendance). In the years since (pre covid), attendance then dropped. While we're never the outright worst draw, on some nights, the attendance is noticeably sparse.
This is all besides the point, however. The issue is, the stadium is in serious need of upgrading to stay current. Some of these upgrades might be cost prohibitive. The general opinion seems to be from Rogers that the stadium upgrades are expensive to the point of almost being what they would spend on a new stadium.
Riseth
Senior Member
If we can get something better and more iconic than Rogers Centre than I'd be more ok with a demolition. Otherwise it's one of our most unique and iconic landmarks and I'd be disappointed to see it go. Owners should find other ways to make use of it without a total demolition.
Speaking of demolition, it's gonna be quite a feat for them to jackhammer away all that concrete and steel as using explosives in this part of the city is a no-go.
Speaking of demolition, it's gonna be quite a feat for them to jackhammer away all that concrete and steel as using explosives in this part of the city is a no-go.
animatronic
Senior Member
Skydome has about the same circumference as the Superdome, so it could be renovated to hold another 10k seats. They’d “just” have to drop the field and add seats right up to the smaller NFL field. You could also convert the hotel to seats.
tailgating would be out of the question, but the plaza could be significantly overhauled.
That said, there’s no way we’re getting an NFL team, nor should we try to get one.
C-mac
Senior Member
Iconic??? It's iconic alright, in a terrible way. This thing that looks like an egg in the middle of our skyline.