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My recollection is that there is about 8 to 12 feet between the outfield walls and front of the outfield seating decks (the distance narrows towards CF). Any movement of the walls would need to dig up the concrete to put new footings for the wall foundations.

1: The walls could be pushed back to line up with the outfield seating. This would require relocating the bullpens (As mentioned CF?)
2: Wall heights could be altered. Although Rogers Centre already has one of the taller outfield walls in the league. Push walls back, lower their height? Gives more opportunity for Pillar type over the wall catches.
3: How about an all dirt warning track instead of the current coloured turf and different fill
4: No to a monument park. I think they already have too many ways to honour past players (level of excellence, retired #)
5: Outfield 500 level is definitely a candidate for a WestJet Flight Deck type treatment
6: Partner with the Rail deck park and create a Maple Leaf Square type area in the North area of the Dome. Repurpose the old Sightlines and Hard Rock Cafe restaurants for ticketing as the ticket offices along Bremner clog the sidewalk/street on game days. Possibly make this the new "Grand Entrance" to the stadium so that the field opens up to you as you enter (as per the quoted Mosaic field)
7: Create a "Chairman's club" ala the ACC for in the action seats ticket holders
You've got to figure that most of the existing concrete has to stay in place. That means no changing the number of rows in the 500s, no changing the size or shape of the 200-400 level and no major changes to the exterior walls. pretty much the only non-structural concrete they can play with is the field floor.
The 100 level, however, is fair game. If they want to disrupt the symmetry of the park they'll still need to respect the size of the current circular bowl formed by the 100 level concourse but that still leaves a lot of options. They can rotate the home plate, they can move the bullpens inside the circle, they can put patio seating down one of the baselines etc...
My guess is a lot of the big changes will happen outside the park to improve the plazas - indoor security, amenities etc... Inside, the concrete is such a limiter we should expect a lot of minor changes such as wider seats, redoing the suites and replacing the 100 seating with fixed position and proper sight lines.
Otherwise there will be a lot of tech effects - LED lighting along the girders to illuminate the roof, video walls on the concourses to show on-field views etc...
 
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You've got to figure that most of the existing concrete has to stay in place. That means no changing the number of rows in the 500s, no changing the size or shape of the 200-400 level and no major changes to the exterior walls. pretty much the only non-structural concrete they can play with is the field floor.
The 100 level, however, is fair game. If they want to disrupt the symmetry of the park they'll still need to respect the size of the current circular bowl formed by the 100 level concourse but that still leaves a lot of options. They can rotate the home plate, they can move the bullpens inside the circle, they can put patio seating down one of the baselines etc...
My guess is a lot of the big changes will happen outside the park to improve the plazas - indoor security, amenities etc... Inside, the concrete is such a limiter we should expect a lot of minor changes such as wider seats, redoing the suites and replacing the 100 seating with fixed position and proper sight lines.
Otherwise there will be a lot of tech effects - LED lighting along the girders to illuminate the roof, video walls on the concourses to show on-field views etc...

They just dug up the concrete to install the dirt infield two winters ago. Why now would you want to dig up more concrete to rotate the diamond just so you can create a gimmicky anti symmetric ballpark. Honestly it would be far easier to alter the seating in the 100 level, bring the seats down closer to the field (eliminating some of the foul territory) and arrange the rows/seats in a way that they are pointing towards the diamond and not out into centre field. It's a far simpler solution than creating a whole new diamond within the stadium (which AFAIK has rarely been done)
 
The 2 teams that were rumoured to be contracted were Montreal and Minnesota.

That is the two that were decided upon, yes, but the intial list of prospects included the Jays and many American owners felt that making them team number 2 would be a) easier to sell to government officials and b) reduce the impact of having one team across a border.....and the Jays were a declining asset at the time. Yes the Twins volunteered to be in the contraction mix (a move that many saw as a ploy to get a new stadium) but it is foolish to think the Jays were never considered.

I have written all these from my failing memory but I just now dug up this CBC article for the time in case any young folk (who see a full Rogers Centre most of the time) have a hard time imagining the Jays were talked about in the context of disappearing.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto-blue-jays-may-be-extinct-next-year-1.309338



I never really considered Rogers as 'saving' the Jays. I never thought it was ever that dire. Sounds like revisionist history from Rogers owned media.

like I said a few posts ago....could very well be.
 
That is the two that were decided upon, yes, but the intial list of prospects included the Jays and many American owners felt that making them team number 2 would be a) easier to sell to government officials and b) reduce the impact of having one team across a border.....and the Jays were a declining asset at the time. Yes the Twins volunteered to be in the contraction mix (a move that many saw as a ploy to get a new stadium) but it is foolish to think the Jays were never considered.

I have written all these from my failing memory but I just now dug up this CBC article for the time in case any young folk (who see a full Rogers Centre most of the time) have a hard time imagining the Jays were talked about in the context of disappearing.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto-blue-jays-may-be-extinct-next-year-1.309338





like I said a few posts ago....could very well be.
Again. This was never a serious consideration.

And it's laughable that you keep insisting it was.
 
Again. This was never a serious consideration.

And it's laughable that you keep insisting it was.
I guess this is the only way to end this sidetrack discussion for the sake of the people not involved in it....you win! I am an idiot (a laughable one at that)...and so are the CBC and countless other media outlets (not owned by Rogers) who wrote about the potential for contraction/relocation of the jays at the time....no need to reply we are all giving in and are embarrassed that you are laughing at us. Let's move on. :)
 
You are the one that said you don't really follow the Jays.

Besides one article quoting a 'source' is hardly a varafiable fact.
 
The Jays were on a list MLB drew up as a list for contraction - a list devised by Paul Beeston of all people

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10599-2004Jun27.html

Within months of the report's circulation on Capitol Hill, however, baseball initiated plans to shut down at least two franchises.

DuPuy said Major League Baseball chose the more drastic step of contraction because the economic conditions in baseball had worsened considerably.

Inside baseball there was speculation that contraction was a part of the owners' pre-war buildup, a negotiating ploy designed to show the players' union that baseball was prepared to cut at least 7 percent of its work force if it did not gain concessions.

But owners and union representatives said contraction was not a tactic. "Obviously, it was real," wrote Red Sox owner Henry in a lengthy e-mail interview. Henry, whose former team, the Marlins, was a candidate, added, "In any business or industry, if you have companies or divisions that are not making it, you close them."

Richard E. Jacobs, the former owner of the Cleveland Indians, warned Selig: "It's going to be a bloody process. The blood's all going to be yours. Do it anyway."

The process began in October 2000. Selig announced at a Chicago owners meeting that he had asked DuPuy and Paul Beeston, then baseball's president and chief operating officer, to study the ramifications of eliminating franchises.

As the meeting broke up, Samson, the Expos' president, bolted across the room to confront Selig.

"What do you mean: You're contracting the Expos?" Samson asked incredulously.

DuPuy quickly grabbed Samson by the arm to defuse the situation.

"David, we'll talk," he said.

In the spring of 2001, Beeston scrawled a list of candidates on a piece of yellow lined paper and handed it to an aide. The list included the Expos, Minnesota Twins, Toronto Blue Jays, Oakland Athletics, Marlins, Tampa Bay Devil Rays and Anaheim Angels.

Throughout that summer, baseball officials met in the 31st floor executive conference room at Major League Baseball's headquarters at 245 Park Avenue in Manhattan. From the beginning, according to a former baseball official who participated, there were discussions about whether baseball had the legal authority to unilaterally eliminate teams. The contraction meetings were referred to by euphemisms such as "baseball issues" or "ownership issues." Participants sometimes were told not to take notes or to hand in their notes at the end of meetings, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of an ongoing federal racketeering suit filed by the former Expos limited partners.
 
Rogers would sell the name to another telecommunications company. My best is on a bank... or Pizza Pizza. ;)

Blue Jays severed their relationship with Pizza pizza a few years ago. They now serve pizza nova pizza at concessions, and not sure if they still have the 7 strikeout free slice of pizza promotion any more.

Not that that would prevent Pizza pizza from purchasing naming rights but just saying.

Probably would be a bank, this has been the trend. TD Dome? BMO Dome? CIBC Dome?
 
Did a quick analysis of the current state of sports stadium names in Canada, courtesy of Wikipedia. There are 37 stadiums and arenas in the country with a capacity of at least 10,000. Here's the breakdown by name type:

Telcom | 9
Financial Services | 8
Geographic | 6
Food Retail | 4
Person | 3
Event | 2
CPG Retail | 2
Transportation | 1
Mining | 1
Technology Retail | 1
Grand Total | 37

Here's the list sorted by seating capacity. Apologies for the formatting, but there isn't a table function in the forum. Note that the top three lack corporate branding:

Rank | Name | Name Type | City | Type | Capacity | Opened

1 | Olympic Stadium | Event | Montreal | Outdoor | 66,308 | 1976
2 | Commonwealth Stadium | Event | Edmonton | Outdoor | 60,081 | 1978
3 | BC Place | Geographic | Vancouver | Outdoor | 54,500 | 1983
4 | Rogers Centre | Telcom | Toronto | Outdoor | 53,506 | 1989
5 | McMahon Stadium | Person | Calgary | Outdoor | 46,020 | 1960
6 | Investors Group Field | Financial Services | Winnipeg | Outdoor | 33,500 | 2013
7 | Mosaic Stadium | Mining | Regina | Outdoor | 33,000 | 2016
8 | BMO Field | Financial Services | Toronto | Outdoor | 30,991 | 2007
9 | Percival Molson Memorial Stadium | Person | Montreal | Outdoor | 25,012 | 1915
10 | TD Place Stadium | Financial Services | Ottawa | Outdoor | 24,000 | 1908
11 | Tim Hortons Field | Food Retail | Hamilton | Outdoor | 24,000 | 2014
12 | Bell Centre | Telcom | Montreal | Indoor | 21700 | 21,273
13 | Stade Saputo | Food Retail | Montreal | Outdoor | 20,801 | 2008
14 | Rogers Place | Telcom | Edmonton | Indoor | 20,734 | 18641
15 | Canadian Tire Centre | CPG Retail | Ottawa | Indoor | 20,500 | 19153
16 | Videotron Centre | Telcom | Quebec City | Indoor | 20,396 | 18259
17 | Air Canada Centre | Transportation | Toronto | Indoor | 19,800 | 18819
18 | Rogers Arena | Telcom | Vancouver | Indoor | 19,700 | 18810
19 | Scotiabank Saddledome | Financial Services | Calgary | Indoor | 19,289 | 19289
20 | FirstOntario Centre | Financial Services | Hamilton | Indoor | 19,000 | 17383
21 | Pacific Coliseum | Geographic | Vancouver | Indoor | 17,150 | 16281
22 | Northlands Coliseum | Geographic | Edmonton | Indoor | 16,839 | 16839
23 | Bell MTS Place | Telcom | Winnipeg | Indoor | 16,345 | 15294
24 | Colisée Pepsi | Food Retail | Quebec City | Indoor | 15,399 | 15127
25 | SaskTel Centre | Telcom | Saskatoon | Indoor | 15,195 | 15195
26 | Scotiabank Centre | Financial Services | Halifax | Indoor | 13,000 | 10595
27 | Aviva Centre | Financial Services | Toronto | Outdoor | 12,500 | 2004
28 | Stade Telus-Université Laval[3] | Telcom | Quebec City | Outdoor | 12,257 | 1994
29 | Uniprix Stadium | CPG Retail | Montreal | Outdoor | 11,437 | 1995
30 | TD Place Arena | Financial Services | Ottawa | Indoor | 10,585 | 9862
31 | Ottawa Baseball Stadium | Geographic | Ottawa | Outdoor | 10,332 | 1993
32 | Ricoh Coliseum | Technology Retail | Toronto | Indoor | 10,279 | 7851
33 | Budweiser Gardens | Food Retail | London | Indoor | 10,200 | 9100
34 | King George V Park | Person | St. John's | Outdoor | 10,000 | 1925
35 | Edmonton Ballpark | Geographic | Edmonton | Outdoor | 10,000 | 1995
36 | Stade Moncton Stadium | Geographic | Moncton | Outdoor | 10,000 | 2010
37 | Place Bell | Telcom | Laval | Indoor | 10,000 | 10000

And just for fun, here it is by total seating capacity:

Telcom | 189,833
Financial Services | 162,865
Event | 126,389
Geographic | 118,821
Person | 81,032
Food Retail | 70,400
Mining | 33,000
CPG Retail | 31,937
Transportation | 19,800
Technology Retail | 10,279
Grand Total | 844,356

The other major category would be concert halls and entertainment venues, but then we'd be looking at hundreds of entries.
 
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