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sixrings said:
So you would like to spend a fortune renovating so we can look out to the rbc data center? Maybe if they flipped the field and did the same thing we could at least look out to the Gardner expressway
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Not in the long run, given the plans to redevelop the RBC site and deck over that portion of the rail corridor.

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AlvinofDiaspar said:
Not in the long run, given the plans to redevelop the RBC site and deck over that portion of the rail corridor.

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...and even if that weren't the case, frankly, I'd much prefer to look onto the RBC data centre than the Gardiner.
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
Though having said that I have doubts about how viable it would be to open up the stadium towards the north.

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For sure; it'd be a massive undertaking. I think you'd get similar benefits if you had a look at opening up the southeast-ish and/or southwest-ish walls - they both spill out onto pedestrian plazas that need a lot of love anyways.
 
Bogtrotter said:
I'm thinking with such a dramatic revamp your pretty much talking about tearing down and rebuilding a significant portion of the stadium, on top of reconfiguring seats and a new roof, then we're venturing into costs that are approaching a brand new stadium. In which case I'd rather they tear it down, Jays play at Tim Horton's field for a couple of seasons and start anew on the site with a modern design with sweeping views of the city :)
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You want them to play at a football stadium? o_O
 
Bogtrotter said:
I'm thinking with such a dramatic revamp your pretty much talking about tearing down and rebuilding a significant portion of the stadium, on top of reconfiguring seats and a new roof, then we're venturing into costs that are approaching a brand new stadium. In which case I'd rather they tear it down, Jays play at Tim Horton's field for a couple of seasons and start anew on the site with a modern design with sweeping views of the city :)
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The Renaissance Hotel is pretty self contained. It almost looks like it was added as an after thought. Demolishing it would open up the stadium to the city beyond. The upcoming towers clustering around along Peter from Front to King would be visible in the outfield as would Frank Gehry's Mirvish towers. Those sitting in the outfield seats would have a near unobstructed view of the CN Tower off to their left.

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TOareaFan said:
^any idea what it would cost to buy out the owners of the hotel prior to demolishing it?
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Hotel building cost and sold price:
The stadium would later become a thorn in the side of David Peterson's Ontario Liberal government for repeated cost overruns. After the Liberals were defeated by the NDP in the 1990 Ontario election, a review by the new Bob Rae government in October 1990 revealed that Stadco's debt meant that the Dome would have to be booked 600 days a year to turn a profit. The stadium income was only $17 million in its first year of operations, while debt service was $40 million. It was determined that the abrupt late inclusion by Stadco of a hotel and health club added an additional $112 million to the cost of the building.
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In November 2004, Rogers Communications, parent company of the Blue Jays, acquired SkyDome, excluding the attached SkyDome hotel, which had been sold to Renaissance for a reported $31 million in 1999, from Sportsco for about $25 million – roughly 4% of the cost of construction
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Centre

MetroMan said:
The Renaissance Hotel is pretty self contained. It almost looks like it was added as an after thought. Demolishing it would open up the stadium to the city beyond. The upcoming towers clustering around along Peter from Front to King would be visible in the outfield as would Frank Gehry's Mirvish towers. Those sitting in the outfield seats would have a near unobstructed view of the CN Tower off to their left.
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It was sort of a late addon (see quote above). Now if I have to imagine, I'd build the deck, tear down the hotel and use the lower level of that space as a new "prime entrance" for the stadium (the upper level can still serve hotel purposes) - esp. if coordinated with the development of the RBC site to "open it up" along axis. The open space created by the deck can allow for a quid-pro-quo exchange of Bobbie Rosenfeld Park as a development site, which can be tied in with the lacklustre south facade of Rogers Centre and will also have an added bonus of reinforcing the street wall of Bremner along that stretch.

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AlvinofDiaspar said:
Maybe, maybe not - given the age of the facility.

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Hotels like most commercial real estate are sold based on the value of the future income stream...age has very limited impact on it.......if a hotel built in 1989 was too old to be worth much....the Royal York would have sold for closer to zero than it did for in 2014 ;)
 
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TOareaFan said:
Hotels like most commercial real estate are sold based on the value of the future income stream...age has very limited impact on it.......if a hotel built in 1989 was too old to be worth much....the Royal York would have sold for closer to zero than it did for in 2014 ;)
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That it maybe, but this isn't the greatest of sites, and renovation cost is going to eat into the value of the property.

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