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Toronto prices decline 15% in mid-October

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Changing GTA Resale Housing Market Reflects Economic Times

October 17, 2008 — Activity in the Greater Toronto Area resale housing market moderated considerably during the first half of October with 2,700 homes changing hands, Toronto Real Estate Board President Maureen O’Neill announced today.

Sales volumes in the GTA decreased 18 per cent compared to the first half of October 2007, when 3,297 transactions were recorded and are down 10 per cent compared to the same period in 2006 when 3,007 sales took place.

In the City of Toronto 1,140 sales took place in the first half of this month. This represents a 21per cent decline from the 1,446 sales that took place in the same period a year ago and a 13 per cent decrease from the 1,312 transactions recorded in the first half of October 2006.

In the 905 Region there were 1,560 sales in the first two weeks of this month, a 16 per cent decrease from the 1,851 transactions that took place during the same timeframe in 2007 and down eight per cent from the 1,695 homes sold during the first half of October 2006.

House prices declined throughout the GTA during the first half of the month. The average priceof a GTA home is currently $353,772, down 11 per cent from $399,013 recorded the comparable period in 2007.

In the City of Toronto the current average price $375,804, a 15 per cent decrease from the $441,878 average recorded at mid-October 2007.

In the 905 Region the average price of a home is currently $337,671. This represents an eight per cent decline from the $365,527 average recorded during the first half of October 2007.

With 27,559 properties currently listed on the TorontoMLS system, there is now 30 per cent more available stock from which to choose as compared to a year ago when 21,182 homes were listed.

“More choice can mean slightly longer wait times for sellers whose homes are now on average, selling after 34 days on the market as compared to 29 days a year ago,†said Ms. O’Neill. “The list to sales ratio is 97 per cent of the list price.â€
 
Is there any way we can get specific prices for particular regions.

Like I'm wondering about NYCC, Yonge and Eglinton, Yonge and Bloor, central downtown, waterfront, MCC ... and so forth.
 
yea, I think it's in the pdf on the Toronto Real Estate Board website, but the pdf doesn't seem to be working at the moment.
 
Once again, guess who was right re: price decreases? -15% in 1st 2 weeks of October + -6% in last 2 weeks of September = -21% decline in one month!

Urbandreamer was called a fool by many for predicting a 30% decline. :D

i think you misunderstand what the numbers mean. they are average home prices sold within the month. so by mid October, in the City of Toronto the current average price is $375,804, september was $393,647, august was$377,990. the comparison is with the same time last year, so it's not cumulative.
 
Exactly. If you add up the decreases, that is, compare the period of Sept 15-Oct 15/2007 to Sept 15-Oct 15/2008 you get an almost 20% price decrease. That's major news, but the developer-friendly media in small town Canada aren't about to start creating panic...yet.
 
Once again, guess who was right re: price decreases? -15% in 1st 2 weeks of October + -6% in last 2 weeks of September = -21% decline in one month!

Urbandreamer was called a fool by many for predicting a 30% decline. :D


LOL ... UD, the 15% decline is for Y-O-Y and not cumulative but that's still VERY significant.
 
Exactly. If you add up the decreases, that is, compare the period of Sept 15-Oct 15/2007 to Sept 15-Oct 15/2008 you get an almost 20% price decrease. That's major news, but the developer-friendly media in small town Canada aren't about to start creating panic...yet.

it's not cumulative, meaning you don't add them up.
 
It also only measures the average transaction. No actual price chopping need have occurred, a decrease in average transaction amount could also be caused by more people holding off on larger purchases to see what happens with stock markets, etc, with more lower-end sales occurring.

Not saying that this is what's happening, just that we need to look at what the numbers represent, and try not read any more than that into them.
 
So fewer "expensive" homes sold the first half of October. This should be no surprise given the stock market turmoil.

The sky is not falling here people.
 
So let's assume a fair number of people decide not to sell their house now because of the poor market conditions. What happens? Do prices go up because there's less product on the market or do they keep declining?
 
It also only measures the average transaction. No actual price chopping need have occurred, a decrease in average transaction amount could also be caused by more people holding off on larger purchases to see what happens with stock markets, etc, with more lower-end sales occurring.

Not saying that this is what's happening, just that we need to look at what the numbers represent, and try not read any more than that into them.

So if the average transaction price increases, then that is sign of house prices increasing? But when the price decreases by 15% (not including the additional 2%+ inflation) then that is inconclusive?

Compare what has happened with this metric over the past 30 years, and consider what the previous dramatic decreases preceeded.
 
It also only measures the average transaction. No actual price chopping need have occurred, a decrease in average transaction amount could also be caused by more people holding off on larger purchases to see what happens with stock markets, etc, with more lower-end sales occurring..

Nonsense. Face it. It's over. All we have to compare are these normally self-serving TREB stats and on their stats its a veritable blood bath. Read: Halloween Mascare 2008. Toronto housing market CRASH!:eek: (I don't care I'm a happy renter :) )

We're now down 16% from the peak peak in April 2008 ($446,781) and falling fast. Flippers are holding toxic paper + guess who else is negative equity? CMHC from 07 on.

0% down is dead. 40 year amortizations is dead. Housing market will return to its rightful owners. The users.

It's over. Deal. Feel. Heal.
 

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