Toronto Pinnacle One Yonge | 345.5m | 105s | Pinnacle | Hariri Pontarini

You're still missing the point. It was not a comparison. I was stating my reality (as I live in a smaller U.S. community). But whatever, I withdraw the point. You are right and I am wrong to make the post.

Lets hope 1 Yonge is a high quality development and gets built. (Hopefully that won't be misinterpreted)
 
There is no financial basis for a 100 storey tower in Toronto right now. Too expensive to build considering the return.

well, that's for the developers to decide, right? It is their money, not taxpayers, so we don't have to worry about the financial basis.
 
There is no financial basis for a 100 storey tower in Toronto right now. Too expensive to build considering the return.

This might be so, although I would think that each project would need to be considered on a case-by-case basis.

But what I definitely know is that there has been a progression of maximum building heights being built in Toronto over the past ten years. The maximum heights by number of floors and by year completed:

2002 : 32 floors (Matrix East)
2003 : 45 floors (Pantages Tower)
2004 : 37 floors (Waterclub Condominiums)
2005 : 51 floors (One King West)
2006 : 51 floors (RoCP North)
2007 : 49 floors (West One)
2008 : 54 floors (Quantum North)
2009 : 55 floors (Success Tower)
2010 : 54 floors (MLS North)
2011 : 52 floors (Ritz-Carlton, 33 Bay)
2012 : 65 floors (Shangri-La)
2013 : 67 floors (Ice East)
2014 : 78 floors (Aura)
2015 : 75 floors (Number One Bloor)

This does not include the 86-, 84- and 82-floor Mirvish-Gehrey towers or the 80-floor Holt-Renfrew proposal, which would presumably be completed in the 2017-2018 time frame if they do get built.

So if the trend continues, I could easily see one or more 100-floor buildings being completed around 2018 to 2020.
 
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There is no financial basis for a 100 storey tower in Toronto right now. Too expensive to build considering the return.


Perhaps, only a deveoper would know, but this would not preclude a mixed use building - which makes a great deal of economic sense by spreading risk.
 
The official term for "super-super" is "hyper".

Really? Where did you hear that? "Supertall" is the standard term for "300m to 599m (or 499m)", while the only term I have heard for "600m (or 500m) and over" is "megatall".
 
I should point out that JayCortese on SSP had reported that a 340m to 350m tower would be going up here back in June:

JayCortese said:
There are rumors about a 340-350 metre tower between yonge and freeland streets just north of the Toronto Star Building.

At 3.4m per floor, this would be the expected height for a 100-floor residential building.
 
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Earlier in the thread, there was some debate about comparing Toronto's construction rate to US communities. One of the parties, Fedplanner, having been rather vigorously assailed for a simple comparison to his own home area, withdrew graciously from the field of verbal combat. But the matter interested me for its own sake. How does Toronto actually compare to a variety of American cities with respect to pace of construction? Fortunately, the tables at www.skyscraperpage.com allow the reader to sort by built, under construction, proposed etc., so a direct comparison is easy.

So with begin with Toronto http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?cityID=12&statusID=2 I note that is the first of two pages.

Starting close to home with our admittedly much smaller immediate neighbour, though certainly more than a town, we look at Buffalo http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?cityID=153&statusID=2 Not much of a comparison there.

Detroit is also a Great Lakes City and much nearer in size. http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?cityID=471&statusID=2
Well, Detroit is notoriously depressed.

Let's try Philadelphia, a city similar in size to Toronto, and also in the Northeast. http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?cityID=326&statusID=2 At least something is under construction there.

So, let's try another city of comparable size, without a long history which is claimed to be a factor, and in a relatively prosperous state. Here's Houston http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?cityID=28&statusID=2 That doesn't compare very well with Toronto either

San Francisco was mentioned in the thread http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?cityID=114&statusID=2
They do have one 50 storey tower under construction but as a whole, we still don't have anything that compares very well with Toronto.

So let's head south to the much larger city of Los Angeles http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?cityID=26&statusID=2
Four buildings, the tallest 28 storeys, in a city that size?

Here's Chicago, also a significantly larger Metropolitan area than Toronto, the birthplace of the skyscraper and with one of my favourite skylines. (Honestly, no sarcasm here. I love Chicago.) http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?cityID=4&statusID=2

That's a bit more like it: three under construction over 50 storeys but still, less than half a page total.

Let's finish with New York then. It is a far larger city, famed for its skyline, also reconstructing after the tragedy of 9/11.
http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?cityID=8&statusID=2

New York has some amazing supertalls under construction, notably the resurrected World Trade Center and I certainly don't want to understate the construction going on there. In fact, I envy the quality and audacity of their architecture. But even New York doesn't compare in number of projects to Toronto.

I could go on but that would be very boring indeed. I don't know how Toronto compares to some of the Asian cities, and don't intend to find out. But in the North American context, the Toronto construction boom is extremely impressive. It looks as if the Globe article was correct.

Fedplanner, I can understand you not wanting to get into prolonged debate with your assailant, but you could have pushed back pretty successfully if you wanted.

Finally, if a supertall were to go up in Toronto, something about which I have no information at all, it would not seem out of place, given the construction already taking place.
 
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Some time ago, I compared Toronto construction with the top 100 highrise construction cities worldwide, and found that Toronto actually rates very highly, one of the top half-dozen cities in the world by almost any metric I used. I then endured page after page of being slammed for daring to compare Toronto with the great cities of China and elsewhere, which according to the posters leave Toronto in the dust, regardless of what any mere "statistics" might say.

So I just walked away. It's not worth the stress of defending myself, none of these people were going to be convinced that Toronto is indeed one of the top cities in the world right now for highrise construction.
 
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Some time ago, I compared Toronto construction with the top 100 highrise construction cities worldwide, and found that Toronto actually rates very highly, one of the top half-dozen cities in the world by almost any metric I used. I then endured page after page of being slammed for daring to compare Toronto with the great cities of China and elsewhere, which according to the posters leave Toronto in the dust, regardless of what any mere "statistics" might say.

So I just walked away. It's not worth the stress of defending myself, none of these people were going to be convinced that Toronto is indeed one of the top cities in the world right now for highrise construction.

Understandable. Perhaps I will eventually come to the same conclusion. By the way, I also looked at Dallas, Boston, Miami and Atlanta. I didn't link them in order to keep the post to a manageable length. The conclusion that Toronto's construction boom is far beyond this continent's norm still stands. I have no idea why that would be such a hard notion to accept.
 
Thanks 67cup! When you look at it this way, it's VERY impressive. I knew we had a lot going on, but I didn't know it was that much, kind of blows most other major cities in North America, bigger or smaller, out of the water, what an awesome time to be living here!
 

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