Toronto Ontario Line: Exhibition Station | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | HDR

janschot said:
Not a lot of space on the south side of the tracks for the streetcars to extend through to Dufferin (and beyond)?
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I believe the WWLRT has been provided for in the design; though that may not be evident in these drawings.
 
innsertnamehere said:
Interesting how they are only delivering a single block of the Liberty New Street as a part of it.. Wonder if they are telling the City that they are still on the hook for the rest of the street.
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The new street is a City project, not a Metrolinx one so it's always been up to the City to deliver. I wouldn't be surprised to see Metrolinx send a bill for doing the part in front of the station.
 
Another interesting thing here - the GO platforms are actually *behind* the fare gates here, with no fare gate for transfers from the OL to GO. I wonder what Metrolinx is thinking about that..? Also the first time I've seen a GO Platform proposed to be faregate controlled.
 
innsertnamehere said:
Another interesting thing here - the GO platforms are actually *behind* the fare gates here, with no fare gate for transfers from the OL to GO. I wonder what Metrolinx is thinking about that..? Also the first time I've seen a GO Platform proposed to be faregate controlled.
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Thank heavens - at least the design as envisioned will be efficient (especially considering the potential loads at Ex).

AoD
 
innsertnamehere said:
Another interesting thing here - the GO platforms are actually *behind* the fare gates here, with no fare gate for transfers from the OL to GO. I wonder what Metrolinx is thinking about that..? Also the first time I've seen a GO Platform proposed to be faregate controlled.
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So PRESTO will calculate whether you're riding Ontario Line, or if you tap off at a GO station? Might mean that Ontario Line will have tap on/ tap off? Otherwise, if the default for a gate tap for someone entering at Exhibition is Ontario Line fare, then you could get a lot of fraud by people taking Lakeshore GO and not tapping off.
 
jcam said:
So PRESTO will calculate whether you're riding Ontario Line, or if you tap off at a GO station? Might mean that Ontario Line will have tap on/ tap off? Otherwise, if the default for a gate tap for someone entering at Exhibition is Ontario Line fare, then you could get a lot of fraud by people taking Lakeshore GO and not tapping off.
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It means that GO / the TTC has no way of knowing if you are using GO / the TTC after going through the fare gates, which means it assumes full fare integration between the two.

It does create some interesting scenarios for GO users however - "forgetting" to tap off on the LSW line would mean you would have to be charged only a TTC fare as it would be assumed you used the OL, for example.
 
innsertnamehere said:
It means that GO / the TTC has no way of knowing if you are using GO / the TTC after going through the fare gates, which means it assumes full fare integration between the two.

It does create some interesting scenarios for GO users however - "forgetting" to tap off on the LSW line would mean you would have to be charged only a TTC fare as it would be assumed you used the OL, for example.
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I'd expect forgetting to tap off would default to the full LSW fare to Niagara, not the TTC fare. No way that the default is the cheapest option. Almost no one would ever willingly pay the correct fare in that case.

The big implication here is likely that we're getting tap on/tap off on the TTC subway when fare integration (finally) arrives.
 
TossYourJacket said:
I'd expect forgetting to tap off would default to the full LSW fare to Niagara, not the TTC fare. No way that the default is the cheapest option. Almost no one would ever willingly pay the correct fare in that case.

The big implication here is likely that we're getting tap on/tap off on the TTC subway when fare integration (finally) arrives.
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If that were the case every single user tapping in to use the subway would be charged as if they went to Niagara. Not reasonable.

But yes - the solution would be to either force tap offs on the entire go train network by gating all stations, giving TTC fare trips for those using exhibition for GO service(like the scenario I described), or forcing tap offs on all TTC subway stations.
 
It would be nice if the Ontario Line stopped or had an entrance at Ontario Place itself, like Montreal with Jean-Drapeau station at Parc Jean-Drapeau. It would reduce the need for the costly proposed parking garage and relieve congestion in the area (instead of inducing it by building a giant parking garage that will encourage people to drive).

Despite all of the investment in transit, the city's current congestion is extreme and reaching a crisis point. Everything that encourages people to drive downtown, from the presence of expressways and parking, needs to be reconsidered. The assumption that no parking means that your business or institution will fail needs to be questioned and reconsidered, as it isn't true. It's encouraging congestion, pollution, noise, and aggressive driving throughout the region.

Sure, Exhibition Station will be quite close, but having the stop in the park or at its entrance would encourage people who don't normally take transit to take it. As silly as it sounds, driving tends to decondition a lot of people to believe that even a short walk is an unacceptable hardship they should refuse to endure.
 
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Nice, there is a bit more clarity on how the south exit will work. Also happy to note that terracotta is in the plans as a cladding materials, and the roof "pillows" is ETFE. Looking at the plans further - it seems that the station will also serve as a subcentre for GO security as well.

The exterior design might be a slightly clumsy, but can't fault them for trying - and the space looks efficient and clear. There is definitely generalized accommodation for future TTC works as well:

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AoD
 
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junctionist said:
It would be nice if the Ontario Line stopped or had an entrance at Ontario Place itself, like Montreal with Jean-Drapeau station at Parc Jean-Drapeau. It would reduce the need for the costly proposed parking garage and relieve congestion in the area (instead of inducing it by building a giant parking garage that will encourage people to drive).

Despite all of the investment in transit, the city's current congestion is extreme and reaching a crisis point. Everything that encourages people to drive downtown, from the presence of expressways and parking, needs to be reconsidered. The assumption that no parking means that your business or institution will fail needs to be questioned and reconsidered, as it isn't true. It's encouraging congestion, pollution, noise, and aggressive driving throughout the region.

Sure, Exhibition Station will be quite close, but having the stop in the park or at its entrance would encourage people who don't normally take transit to take it. As silly as it sounds, driving tends to decondition a lot of people to believe that even a short walk is an unacceptable hardship they should refuse to endure.
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The problem with this plan is that you won’t have the good connectivity with the Lakeshore West Line at the current station site if you terminate the line at Ontario Place which is more important IMO. AFAIK, the plan is for a last-mile connection to the Ontario Place from Exhibition. For example, a gondola of some sort connecting between the two sites.
 
Coolstar said:
The problem with this plan is that you won’t have the good connectivity with the Lakeshore West Line at the current station site if you terminate the line at Ontario Place which is more important IMO. AFAIK, the plan is for a last-mile connection to the Ontario Place from Exhibition. For example, a gondola of some sort connecting between the two sites.
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Why not build both an Exhibition station and an Ontario Place station within the park itself? Take some of the money out of the proposed $300 million parking garage to make the transit connections first rate. If the line is ever extended west, it can curve in a tunnel under the lake and back towards the mainland (for example for a station in Parkdale).
 
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