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I do really like the picture of the UPX station you linked and it's making me think about how they could incorporate some wood into these stations. It could easily stay in the cheap modernist style that Metrolinx is going for while also adding some more natural and warm elements. Wood is fairly cheap, and completely timeless so I hope they at least consider incorporating it somewhere, if not in every station.
Would be pretty awesome to see a Mass-Timber elevated rail station, now that timber-based buildings are legal in Ontario

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In regards to station art and design, I really wish Metrolinx would give stations like any kind of colour, the are so many spaces that are just blank concrete walls that would look amazing if they had murals on them, how expensive can paint be? I think giving each station in the region its own unique patterns, design, etc would make each station unique and beautiful😌. It would also give some money to a lot of artists in the region considering how many stations exist (TTC, GO, etc) and the new ones being built at the moment. I also second the incorporation of wood into stations and other more natural materials.

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In regards to station art and design, I really wish Metrolinx would give stations like any kind of colour, the are so many spaces that are just blank concrete walls that would look amazing if they had murals on them, how expensive can paint be? I think giving each station in the region its own unique patterns, design, etc would make each station unique and beautiful😌. It would also give some money to a lot of artists in the region considering how many stations exist (TTC, GO, etc) and the new ones being built at the moment. I also second the incorporation of wood into stations and other more natural materials.

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Even wallpaper that imitates wood would be an improvement.
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Subway station Marienplatz in Munich​

See link.

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Taken from Steve Munro's blog post with all the Relief Line South plans - note that the RLS plan has the station box in the roadway rather than to the west of Pape Ave, the Ontario line seems significantly deeper (more escalators, too), the much smaller new entrances for the RLS station and the much longer RLS station box.
Based on the numbers provided in that drawing and by metrolinx, the RLS platform is 27.5m deep (~17.5m below line 2 platforms), the OL line platforms are 30m deep (~19m below line 2 platforms). There is a ~1.5m discrepancy in depth of the line 2 platforms between the two drawings (9.5m depth in the RLS drawing, 11m depth in the OL drawing). Either way, the designs are at a similar depth, with the Ontario line 1.5-3m deeper, depending on what reference is correct.
 
What's interesting to point out is the layout for Pape Station:
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Looks like it will be 2 sets of staircases/escalators to reach the platform level.

... and the elevators are closer to the Line 2 platforms in the OL diagram than the RLS diagram.
 

Metrolinx running full on defence for their plan here and with what it looks like they will be doing it all the way until opening in 203x

Community explicitly spells it out, They want the line tunneled and wont take no for an answer

Metrolinx basically says back "this is happening whether you like it or not" We will not look at any other plan

I think I only heard a few things they mentioned for their justification:

- the old RLS had i think it was the gerrard station 70m underground to get under a large water main (is this true?)
- complex tunneling before/after the don river
- and of course the cost

I do think its funny them intentionally leaving the political meddling out of this. Theyre like "we didnt like the RLS design so we looked at the go transit rail and use that" like nawwww bulll
We all know the only reason metrolinx is doing this is because Ford dictated it
 

Metrolinx running full on defence for their plan here and with what it looks like they will be doing it all the way until opening in 203x

Community explicitly spells it out, They want the line tunneled and wont take no for an answer

Metrolinx basically says back "this is happening whether you like it or not" We will not look at any other plan

I think I only heard a few things they mentioned for their justification:

- the old RLS had i think it was the gerrard station 70m underground to get under a large water main (is this true?)
- complex tunneling before/after the don river
- and of course the cost

I do think its funny them intentionally leaving the political meddling out of this. Theyre like "we didnt like the RLS design so we looked at the go transit rail and use that" like nawwww bulll
We all know the only reason metrolinx is doing this is because Ford dictated it

Disappointing.

So much for 'community consultation'.
 
I do think its funny them intentionally leaving the political meddling out of this. Theyre like "we didnt like the RLS design so we looked at the go transit rail and use that" like nawwww bulll
We all know the only reason metrolinx is doing this is because Ford dictated it
Does Ford actually care whether it was tunnelled or in the rail corridor? This decision seems like it came from the engineers and not politicians. I'd expect the exchange between Ford and Metrolinx along the lines of:
Ford: "I need a transit project to promote as my own so that I have a legacy"
Metrolinx: "Well, now that we are trying to better integrate our transit network, we have a new relief line concept that we've been discussing that allows for better transfers with other lines, is longer, cheaper, and uses some of our existing land"
Ford: "Can you give me a pretty picture and let me name it"
Metrolinx: "Sure, as long as we get money and free reign to design what we think is best"
 
- the old RLS had i think it was the gerrard station 70m underground to get under a large water main (is this true?)
Yes

- complex tunneling before/after the don river
- and of course the cost

I do think its funny them intentionally leaving the political meddling out of this. Theyre like "we didnt like the RLS design so we looked at the go transit rail and use that" like nawwww bulll
We all know the only reason metrolinx is doing this is because Ford dictated it
Lmao, Metrolinx directly addresses the communities stated concerns by changing the design: intrusion upon a community center/ park and their answer continues to be "No". Metrolinx moved the Ontario Line to the opposite side of the rail corridor todo so.

The NIMBYs are not operating in good faith here. They're acting as though Metrolinx will be personally supervising the demolition of every single building in Leslieville, instead of expanding an existing railway right of way.

Disappointing.

So much for 'community consultation'.
I know right? Metrolinx redesigned the Ontario line in accordance to the community's stated desires.
 

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