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Rainforest
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Under construction and half-way done 10 years from now, that's possible.
Completed and running 10 years from now, desirable but not very likely.
Completed and running 10 years from now, desirable but not very likely.
steveintoronto
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I do.
He who pays the piper, calls the tune. I also think it will be determined by a "private partner"...whether that be consortium or one vertically integrated coporation, with the "partner" aspect being open. Not to the private capital, but how much IO or other Gov't org is part of it.
And on the "private" (P3 or PFI) basis, yes, it could be well underway and even built within a decade. Without private participation? Phhhhh...
Just take a look at the political lay of the land in Ontario and Toronto at this time...
steveintoronto
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The fact that a 'metro' type of system wasn't mentioned is indicative of being Toronto. Nuff said. That's only for other world class and leading ones.
Montreal is way ahead on this one...
Btw: LRTs as spec'd by Metrolinx are fully compatible with metro, don't even have to order the LRVs as bi-current/voltage versions.
As long as the signalling is compatible, the only challenge is platform height, assuming the LRVs are low platform (and the trend is toward that).
Just accessed the presentation as linked and referenced. He states "LRT trains".
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W. K. Lis
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The Gerrard Station would include some sort of transfer between the Relief Line and the 506 CARLTON streetcars. However, will it be a off-street at grade loop, like at the Main Station? An underground loop, like at the St. Clair West Station? An on-street paper transfer, like at Dundas Station? Or an on-street paid-area transfer, like in the days of the Bloor Station, before Line 2 came on the scene?
From link:
The TTC could order new streetcars with doors on both side of the streetcars, so that a single center transfer platform could be used, sharing single elevators, escalators, and stairs.
From link:
The TTC could order new streetcars with doors on both side of the streetcars, so that a single center transfer platform could be used, sharing single elevators, escalators, and stairs.
Leo_Chan
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Or just have crossovers on either end of the platform.The Gerrard Station would include some sort of transfer between the Relief Line and the 506 CARLTON streetcars. However, will it be a off-street at grade loop, like at the Main Station? An underground loop, like at the St. Clair West Station? An on-street paper transfer, like at Dundas Station? Or an on-street paid-area transfer, like in the days of the Bloor Station, before Line 2 came on the scene?
From link:
The TTC could order new streetcars with doors on both side of the streetcars, so that a single center transfer platform could be used, sharing single elevators, escalators, and stairs.
pman
Senior Member
At least some Melbourne trams have doors on both sides, allowing for a central platform serving both directions.The Gerrard Station would include some sort of transfer between the Relief Line and the 506 CARLTON streetcars. However, will it be a off-street at grade loop, like at the Main Station? An underground loop, like at the St. Clair West Station? An on-street paper transfer, like at Dundas Station? Or an on-street paid-area transfer, like in the days of the Bloor Station, before Line 2 came on the scene?
From link:
The TTC could order new streetcars with doors on both side of the streetcars, so that a single center transfer platform could be used, sharing single elevators, escalators, and stairs.
Streety McCarface
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Question: How will or should they go about building both relief line south and relief line north? Would it be better to start the TBMs somewhere along Carlaw and Queen and have them dig north and west from there, or would it be better for them to start near West of Queen and Bathurst and dig east then north from there, then continue digging to sheppard while the south stations get built? Or would it be better for 4 tbms to dig north and south from pape station?
Kitsune
Senior Member
It depends on how they want to do the don valley, I could see them doing cut and cover if its a bridge over the don valley with the TBM's launching at Pape / Danforth somewhere... or they could launch 4 from broadview but that would be insanely deep. Leave 2 of them in the tunnel when it finishes around Spadina (I'm assuming the tail tracks will go to almost spadina).
BurlOak
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- Launch site at Moss Park (Queen and Jarvis/Sherbourne).
- Drive East and north from there and extract at Danforth.
- Cut-and cover west from Moss park to City Hall and University (they don't seem to like using TBM under active line, so no point with any TBM west of this point).
- Cut-and cover north from Danforth (Pape Station) to Don Valley bridge crossing.
- North of Millwood Bridge, it would be mostly elevated and some cut-and-cover, so put away the TBM's.
- (If they change their mind and decided to bridge over the lower Don near Eastern, then launch site would be south of Eastern/Broadview with drives east and north, and cut-and-cover from the west side of Don River to City Hall and to Spadina).
ssiguy2
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Funny thing about all this is that if TransitCity was built like the "progressive" TTC fans wanted to stop the "anti-transit, pro-car", Ford & company suburbanites, the situation on the current subway lines would be even worse than it is now. One of TC's many faults was that it did nothing to relieve pressure on the current subway lines despite the lines funneling yet more passengers onto the current lines. The Don Valley, Kingston, Jane, and Finch LRT lines all end at a current subway station. A good idea but only if the current subways have the capacity to absorb all these new riders that TC was hoping to attract which of course they don't.
This is why Miller's myopic view of LRTs or nothing was just as childish as Ford's subways, subways, subways...........there is not such thing as a single transit technology that serves everyone. Miller can take his fair share of blame at the overcrowding of the current subway lines as he effectively said, let's get the people in the suburbs moving and worry about the downtown at some distant future despite being the fastest growing area of the city. Miller's controversial TC plan dominated transit planning and politics for a decade and thus moved the need of a DRL to the backburner and hence the situation that now besets the TTC and the city..........an overcrowded subway system which is going to begin to shrink ridership as people get so exasperated they abandon the TTC altogether.
This is why Miller's myopic view of LRTs or nothing was just as childish as Ford's subways, subways, subways...........there is not such thing as a single transit technology that serves everyone. Miller can take his fair share of blame at the overcrowding of the current subway lines as he effectively said, let's get the people in the suburbs moving and worry about the downtown at some distant future despite being the fastest growing area of the city. Miller's controversial TC plan dominated transit planning and politics for a decade and thus moved the need of a DRL to the backburner and hence the situation that now besets the TTC and the city..........an overcrowded subway system which is going to begin to shrink ridership as people get so exasperated they abandon the TTC altogether.
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BurlOak
Senior Member
+100%.
Every line you mention - plus Sheppard, plus the SRT as LRT extended to Malvern (as it was planned in TC) all just added extra passengers to the existing subway - and would make Y-B that much worse.
Although, it did not "moved the need of a DRL to the backburner". It "moved the PLANNING of a DRL to the backburner".
Even under Ford, nobody thought of trying to leverage the most pro subway mayor in history to prioritize the DRL. They defeated Ford and reverted to the same Transit City plan (although when they realized what they had done, they changed the SRT/LRT to a SSE - which essentially sends riders along the same trajectory to Y-B).
W. K. Lis
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TrickyRicky
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Eglington Cross town has some potential maybe to relieve Yonge and Bloor by diverting riders frustrated with Yonge to Spadina? DRL phase one? We’ll see in the near future. Our system has so little route redundancy it will be fun to actually see some coming on stream.
Edit: looking at W. K. Lis’s Map posting above I’m not sure too many but the most crowding sensitive passengers would take the extra time to travel West to Spadina.
Edit: looking at W. K. Lis’s Map posting above I’m not sure too many but the most crowding sensitive passengers would take the extra time to travel West to Spadina.
BurlOak
Senior Member
I figure this applies only to riders who get on Eglinton between Wynford and Mount Pleasant. With ECLRT being on street in Scarborough - all those riders are basically still going to get to the B-D and transfer at Y-B.