AlvinofDiaspar
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True, but we should be thanking our lucky stars we didn't get the WZMH version of this. What's truly depressing is how we consider what is simply competent as extraordinary in this town.
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I've seen it in person and in photos. It looks like a background building, and it's odd that we get such big-name firms to design such buildings. There seems to be no sensibility at the provincial level of government of how to build a landmark.
Not to say this project was value engineered, because it wasnt.
The government really isn't out to build a landmark - in fact it is probably a liability for any P3 proponent wanting to take (design and financial) risks to go that route. Can you imagine the provincial government accepting any proposal that would truly make this a "palais de justice"? I mean put it another way - would any current government at any level take the risks like Toronto did with New City Hall in the current climate?
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The current climate isn't that relevant in my opinion. This project was conceived of and funded years ago in a different climate. I think the fears are overblown. Sure, they'll be some critics in the legislature. There are always are, no matter what you do.
As long as the design isn't one with costs that spiral out of control, people would like it. Architecture can be a kind of populism, one with intellectual credibility too. There are many ways of designing a landmark that don't involve that much risk. Just create an interesting profile against open sky, and you're halfway there.
This particular project is conceived very much in the same climate - it (and other public projects) are delivered via P3 for a reason -cost control (if not at least the optics of it). As to designing a landmark just because "people like it" - you end up with situations like Aura, where sure, you created an interesting profile against open sky, but did you create durable, timeless quality architecture? At the risk of sounding elitist - be careful who you are pleasing.
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Part of the brief here was to provide high quality backdrop for Toronto City Hall, and to not compete architecturally with it. That said, that mandate was informed by the restraint applied to civic buildings these days.
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