drum118
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Nov 17
Traffic Control Box Area and new west sidewalk
Traffic Control Box Area and new west sidewalk
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smnlng
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The new offramp looks great, but is the plan for traffic from both Lake Shore East and this offramp to merge onto Harbour St? Seems like it will get busy.
sikandar
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Agreed - ACC events could be really bad with all the cars that need to change 3 lanes to make that left onto York. There really needs to be another drop-off/pick-up area for ACC right off Harbour, with a connection to the PATH bridge from street level. Maple Leaf Square looks like a disaster scene every event with all the Taxis/Ubers/people who don’t know any better.
W. K. Lis
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And how many people in those cars? 1.3 people per car, average?
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This is a new traffic restriction announcement. Does it mean they are going to rebuild the northern lanes of Harbour from York to Bay? Time is running out ....
HARBOUR ST From LOWER SIMCOE ST To BAY ST
One eastbound lane will be closed due to City of Toronto's Capital Project - Lower Simcoe off ramp and Harbour St improvements.
Closure Type:Construction (Planned)
Time Frame
aily
From:Nov 22, 2017
Untilec 1, 2017
Hours:09:00 a.m. to 03:00 p.m.
Impact:Major
Road Class:Major Arterial
District:Toronto and East York
Contractor:GRASCAN
ID:R72539
HARBOUR ST From LOWER SIMCOE ST To BAY ST
One eastbound lane will be closed due to City of Toronto's Capital Project - Lower Simcoe off ramp and Harbour St improvements.
Closure Type:Construction (Planned)
Time Frame
ailyFrom:Nov 22, 2017
Until
ec 1, 2017Hours:09:00 a.m. to 03:00 p.m.
Impact:Major
Road Class:Major Arterial
District:Toronto and East York
Contractor:GRASCAN
ID:R72539
drum118
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Nov 20
There is major water line work or other taking place east of Bay in the north lane and have dug up a few large holes in the new lanes concrete between Bay & York.
They are installing the curbs for Simcoe St to the point the east side is close and waking on dirt where the new west sidewalk to go. Looks like they will be doing York next since the east side has been dug out for the missing curb
There is major water line work or other taking place east of Bay in the north lane and have dug up a few large holes in the new lanes concrete between Bay & York.
They are installing the curbs for Simcoe St to the point the east side is close and waking on dirt where the new west sidewalk to go. Looks like they will be doing York next since the east side has been dug out for the missing curb
Panontario
Active Member
Update from today with a bit of a twist:
Started to dig trenches for missing curbs
New curbs at Lower Simcoe:
Lane painting... Only 3 lanes as expected. Not 4. However, all 3 are through lanes, without any right turns. Weird.
Started to dig trenches for missing curbs
New curbs at Lower Simcoe:
Lane painting... Only 3 lanes as expected. Not 4. However, all 3 are through lanes, without any right turns. Weird.
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ADRM
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This may have been answered previously, but what is the purpose of the (for lack of a likely more correct term) bump-out on the south side of the ramp? To the uninitiated, it looks like a missed opportunity to decrease the width of the new structure.
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Haljackey
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It's a shoulder. It ends before the intersection so you don't have some crazy driver using it as a through lane to cut you off.
Great pics! Always appreciated! Thank you for taking the time to take them and post them here!
Great pics! Always appreciated! Thank you for taking the time to take them and post them here!
ADRM
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Right, I guess my (semi-critical) question is "is it really necessary?" whilst noting that other ramps don't have them and that there's only a shoulder on one side of the ramp.
W. K. Lis
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This may have been answered previously, but what is the purpose of the (for lack of a likely more correct term) bump-out on the south side of the ramp? To the uninitiated, it looks like a missed opportunity to decrease the width of the new structure.
That layby is for the ice cream and food trucks to park as they sell their goods as the crawling traffic pass them by.
Or for stalling vehicles to roll into, if there are no food trucks already there.
kotsy
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^ hilarious
Seriously, though. Seems like a waste of materials and time to put a shoulder there.
Seriously, though. Seems like a waste of materials and time to put a shoulder there.
AlvinofDiaspar
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Maybe it is meant for dumping broken down vehicles onto; or for emergency vehicles to use as a bypass to the almost front of the line where they can just cut right in?
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Toronto1834
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My question would be if there are no turns allowed at Lower Simcoe, why the massive turning radius?
Megaton327
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I predict that there will not actually be a 'no right turns' sign up. Lane markings are not legally binding in Ontario, if you're not allowed to turn right from a lane there needs to be a no right turns sign, having just a straight arrow does not make it a legal requirement.
There's no real reason to prohibit right turns. It's such a tiny stretch of Lower Simcoe to the south with a couple of parking garages and Queen's Quay, which is hardly an automobile expressway nowadays. And there aren't likely to be that many pedestrians crossing east/west on Harbour there at rush hour, or at most times of day in general, to obstruct right turning cars and create a backlog. And all of the plans I saw had the far right lane be mixed for straight+right turns.
Maybe they put the straight arrow because that's what the vast majority of the cars will be doing and they don't want to encourage people who see a traffic jam to turn right and end up on a stub street and make a U-turn or go clog up Queen's Quay...like we need any more confused drivers ending up in the tunnel
. But doing it this way, not outright prohibiting rights just not advertising them and even discouraging them a bit, will enable people who live in those condos and actually need to be down there to make the turn without everybody following them quite as much.Just a theory. We'll see, but I'd be shocked if they prohibit it, especially given that huge turning curb and all of the plans allowing right turns.