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Don't get me wrong, I think there is great potential at East Harbour - but having city funding basically forced to build this one - when the developments haven't even materialized while dropping King-Liberty just tells you who provincial transit development under this government is intended to serve.

@Northern Light there is no need for it show East Harbour - there is not much by the way of population and dwellings in the baseline identified.

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For EH I don't doubt it will change before construction (10 years?), but as currently zoned there's no res in the first few phases (as baked into the bylaw). I think that because nothing matters anymore, we should just make Kirby look like Kowloon...
 
East Harbour = Bessarion 2.0?
At the moment it's loooking like it's going to be an even bigger white elephant than that. Bessarion is a station I have no issue with (asides from the location that was chosen for it), i'd say this is looking more like a Highway 407 station but worse.

East Harbour is a station ("hub") that's predicated on nothing but promises that no one knows when will come to fruition (ie: Cadillac Fairview's development, Broadview extention, streetcar extention, etc.).

Let's put it this way, by the time East Harbour is completed not one of the things i've mentioned above in brackets will be completed. Heck will be lucky to see development start on any of them unless the East Harbour sees construction delays.
 
At the moment it's loooking like it's going to be an even bigger white elephant than that. Bessarion is a station I have no issue with (asides from the location that was chosen for it), i'd say this is looking more like a Highway 407 station but worse.

East Harbour is a station ("hub") that's predicated on nothing but promises that no one knows when will come to fruition (ie: Cadillac Fairview's development, Broadview extention, streetcar extention, etc.).

Let's put it this way, by the time East Harbour is completed not one of the things i've mentioned above in brackets will be completed. Heck will be lucky to see development start on any of them unless the East Harbour sees construction delays.

The one benefit East Harbour will immediately have upon opening will be diverting some GO passengers from Union to the Ontario Line on the Lakeshore East and (hopefully) Stouffville Line. That's a major benefit of Exhibition Station on the west side. There's little chance that that area will remain underdeveloped.
 
At the moment it's loooking like it's going to be an even bigger white elephant than that. Bessarion is a station I have no issue with (asides from the location that was chosen for it), i'd say this is looking more like a Highway 407 station but worse.

East Harbour is a station ("hub") that's predicated on nothing but promises that no one knows when will come to fruition (ie: Cadillac Fairview's development, Broadview extention, streetcar extention, etc.).

Let's put it this way, by the time East Harbour is completed not one of the things i've mentioned above in brackets will be completed. Heck will be lucky to see development start on any of them unless the East Harbour sees construction delays.

The immediate East Harbour area is all plans, that's true. But there is some density in the area that already exists and could use a GO connection closer than Union or Danforth.
- The south end of Broadview has several condos.
- The station is supposed to be accessible from the West Donlands neighbourhood across the river, which includes a lot of dense housing completed a decade ago.
- Density has been added to Leslieville, especially along Queen E, in recent years (such as Riverside Square, a stone's throw from East Harbour).

The reason there isn't much development south of Eastern on the east side of the river is because it's currently flood-prone. A flood protection project is underway to allow East Harbour station to be built. Density seems likely to follow once the area is no longer flood-prone and all the car dealerships are gone. Some projects are already in the planning stages, such as at the northeast corner of Broadview and Eastern, across the street from the new station.

There are also other projects in the area that seem more certain to advance than East Harbour:
- It looks like the Portlands area will densify before a direct LRT to Union Station is completed, so East Harbour station might be a useful interim service for those people.
- The ramps connecting the DVP to the Gardiner will eventually be moved closer to the rail corridor, freeing up land right across the river from the East Harbour site, which seems likely to densify too.

Long story short: I don't think East Harbour station is a white elephant unless the East Harbour development proceeds. Rather, I think it has a lot of value already as a local infill station and connection between the Ontario Line and the GO train network in the east end. Plus, seems to me these transit connections are basically a condition precedent to getting the East Harbour development started.
 
Plume from the Portlands Energy Centre is going to become a much bigger story as things start to try and develop in this area in the coming decade...

This you mean:


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So this is still underway it seems:


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The immediate East Harbour area is all plans, that's true. But there is some density in the area that already exists and could use a GO connection closer than Union or Danforth.
- The south end of Broadview has several condos.
- The station is supposed to be accessible from the West Donlands neighbourhood across the river, which includes a lot of dense housing completed a decade ago.
- Density has been added to Leslieville, especially along Queen E, in recent years (such as Riverside Square, a stone's throw from East Harbour).

The reason there isn't much development south of Eastern on the east side of the river is because it's currently flood-prone. A flood protection project is underway to allow East Harbour station to be built. Density seems likely to follow once the area is no longer flood-prone and all the car dealerships are gone. Some projects are already in the planning stages, such as at the northeast corner of Broadview and Eastern, across the street from the new station.

There are also other projects in the area that seem more certain to advance than East Harbour:
- It looks like the Portlands area will densify before a direct LRT to Union Station is completed, so East Harbour station might be a useful interim service for those people.
- The ramps connecting the DVP to the Gardiner will eventually be moved closer to the rail corridor, freeing up land right across the river from the East Harbour site, which seems likely to densify too.

Long story short: I don't think East Harbour station is a white elephant unless the East Harbour development proceeds. Rather, I think it has a lot of value already as a local infill station and connection between the Ontario Line and the GO train network in the east end. Plus, seems to me these transit connections are basically a condition precedent to getting the East Harbour development started.
Exactly, to act like East Harbour will not see growth is just ridiculous. No the planned office component is not happening, but that has already been almost wholly revised out of plans, and its hardly an issue unique to East Harbour.

-The City, Province and Feds have all spent billions making development possible by resolving floodplain issues

-The City and Province are spending billions on GO Expansion + the OL, both of which will make this plot immensely desirable

-Your typical development restrictions (residents association, overlook, shadow etc...) functionally do not exist here, and the City has let heights go as tall as the Devs want

- Anyone living at EH once the stations are complete will be 10 minutes from the Financial District, Union Station, hospital district, The Danforth, and 20 minutes from the largest park Toronto's built this century, Queen West, Liberty Village, King West etc.....

This will be one of the most attractive neighbourhoods in the city, and quite literally every level of government in the country has very good to reasons to make sure it succeeds.

Making broad exclamations about what the city will look like for the next century based off 16 months of market downturn gives one the appearance of a goldfish. I'm sure there were plenty of very sure men in 1890's Toronto telling everyone who would listen that Yonge and Eglinton would NEVER be developed because of the depression of 1893.
 
Would it be faster to walk to Exhibition Place from King-Liberty GO Station or continue to Union Station and transfer to the westbound Lakeshore West GO to Exhibition Station? Think that walking would be faster, at least for me, ages 74.
Almost always walking. The waiting time for the train alone can equal to or exceed the walking time.
 
I wonder whether a cut and cover tunnel under Atlantic, Hanna, or Jefferson would even be viable. Doesn't seem too intricate from my non civil engineering background lol.
 

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