Mississauga Hurontario-Main Line 10 LRT | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx

drum118 said:
Because of the mess at Kipling as well going into Halton, Metrolinx wants a BRT on Dundas Only to keep it one line requiring no changes along it.

An LRT on Dundas is only good between Cloverdale and Hurontario to deal with the issue at Kipling, But there is no plans for Cloverdale in the 25 year plan at this time that includes extending the subway there.

Hurontario & Main were Hwy 10 at One Time and is under Peel control now.

Based on density on Dundas west of Hurontario to Burlington, Going to be hard supporting a BRT in Halton, let alone an LRT. Even Mississauga is hard press supporting an BRT west of Hurontario and more so west of Erindale Station Rd.

The EA for Dundas is to get underway in 2016 and that may change on the revise Big Move Plan due in 2016.
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Theoretically the corridor between Hurontario and Kipling could be built to support both LRT and BRT vehicles, much like what Ottawa was proposing in the old N-S LRT plan that was cancelled in 2008. The plan was to have the Transitway lanes downtown upgraded to include LRT tracks, and to run the N-S LRT and E-W Transitway routes in the same lanes.

Both vehicle types would be low floor, so there wouldn't be an issue with platform heights. It would be a relatively rare instance of doubling up two different technology types in the same corridor, but it's not like it's impossible. If you wanted to you could even build the corridor in such a way that the LRT stops at all stations, while the BRT runs express or semi-express all the way to Kipling, to avoid a duplication in service.
 
Boo.

It will not be the end of the story, as construction won't commence until Brampton votes in new people. This does not include the potential for flip flops, especially if solutions occur.
 
mdrejhon said:
Boo.

It will not be the end of the story, as construction won't commence until Brampton votes in new people. This does not include the potential for flip flops, especially if solutions occur.
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From a purely local perspective (and without commenting on this route issue or even my own skepticism over need for LRT at all) the pro people have done a really lousy PR job here and have left themselves wide open. One glaring miscue (IMO) is a complete failure to identify what the local costs are (even on a +/- basis).....for a city that just went through an election that had financial mismanagement (perceived or real) and transparency as its one and only issue....the pro-LRT Councillors (including the Mayor who had fiscal management as her one and only election message) are actually going into the first major vote of this council with this as their stance "Q. are there local costs....A. Yes.....Q. what are they......A. We don't know". From a purely political junkie/observational point of view....this is some shambolic politicking.
 
It was only less than 10 years ago that Brampton began fund transit properly and did a massive overhaul of its bus system. But even today, Brampton's transit system is still underdeveloped even compared to Mississauga 20 years ago. So it is not surprising there is still a pervasive pro-car, anti-transit attitude in Brampton (and yes, promoting cars and opposing light rail transit to "preserve" Downtown Brampton's "historic character" is anti-transit, simple as that). Brampton is just a different stage compared to Mississauga when it comes to building transit. But attitudes are changing. Brampton's transit ridership has skyrocketed the past 10 years and it will continue to grow and eventually the city will support this LRT. I think it is just a matter of time. I think Brampton will lose out big time if it rejects this LRT now but this probably will not be the end of it, especially after the Mississauga portion is built and people in Brampton get to experience it.
 
mdrejhon said:
Yes.

Now find out the costs first, instead of rejecting the plan today.

(yoo hoo Brampton!)
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I have been suggesting all day to people that without knowing the costs it seems inconceivable that any elected official could vote (in either direction) on such an important matter.
 
DonValleyRainbow said:
You would have to obtain a permit from the Toronto and Region Conservation Authority to run it through Etobicoke Creek. There would be many more studies and technical challenges to overcome before getting close to sign-off. The TRCA is also governed by representatives from other jurisdictions; Toronto, York and other Peel Region communities. Brampton won't be able to muscle this through.

Also, the Transportation Minister has put his foot down to alternatives, so it's especially bonkers at this point.
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Most importantly, the TRCA won't permit anything to be built that impedes the flow of flood water. If they do it will greatly increase the risk of flooding in the downtown core (which is also in the floodplain). Therefore the tracks would need to be elevated in such a way that the piers don't impede the flow of floodwater, or it would have to be on the surface, which isn't ideal for an electrically-operated system when it floods.

Quite frankly, if they continue pursuing that route I can see it turning into the NIMBY's on Hurontario vs. the NIMBY's on John Beck Cres.
 
Edward Skira said:
So is there a decision yet?
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Nope -- public delegations are still going on.

It's actually quite amusing to watch, check it out:
http://m.rogerstv.com/page?lid=237&rid=28&lve=71531

As someone who grew up in Brampton for 30 years and then went out and saw the world, all this talk about "heritage" is amazingly laughable. This is Brampton we're talking about, quite an armpit of a city...not ancient Rome.
 
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