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The province's regional transit agency says it is working to determine the final cost to cancel Hamilton's light rail project and will make the figures public this spring.

A Metrolinx spokeswoman says the agency is currently working to close out remaining project contracts and expects to finish the process in the coming months.

Metrolinx has previously said it spent $186 million on planning and developing the line, including $80 million to purchase 60 properties.

https://www.cp24.com/news/cost-to-cancel-hamilton-lrt-coming-in-spring-metrolinx-1.4802492
 
dowlingm said:
interesting - for example?
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City of Hamilton said:
The Hamilton LRT includes significant investment in existing infrastructure along the corridor, with a majority of existing municipal infrastructure and private utilities expected to be replaced. These include, but are not limited to, roads, sidewalks, bridges, water mains, sewers, electrical distribution (hydro), telecommunications, natural gas, traffic control signals and streetlights.
The replacement and renewal of this infrastructure along the corridor is included in the $1 billion capital cost of the project – this means the renewal of this infrastructure will allow the City of Hamilton to shift priority and funding previously dedicated to this corridor to other areas of the city.
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tiffer24 said:
The province's regional transit agency says it is working to determine the final cost to cancel Hamilton's light rail project and will make the figures public this spring.

A Metrolinx spokeswoman says the agency is currently working to close out remaining project contracts and expects to finish the process in the coming months.

Metrolinx has previously said it spent $186 million on planning and developing the line, including $80 million to purchase 60 properties.

https://www.cp24.com/news/cost-to-cancel-hamilton-lrt-coming-in-spring-metrolinx-1.4802492
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What a waste of tax dollars. This provincial government is incompetent.
 
Wm Perkins Bull said:
The design work isn't done, the contract that was supposed to go out included design.
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A design to a percentage has been done. The rest would have been done by the contractor, but a design to a percentage has already been done in advance.

Some portions of that design is presented to Hamilton City Counil, and is still in City of Hamilton record, and for now, still downloadable from Hamilton's website.

Also, the 2011 Business Case created a preliminary design draft, which convinced Ontario to pledge $1B funding for the Hamilton LRT in 2015.

Wm Perkins Bull said:
I'm not sure how well the Niagara Escarpment Commission would feel about tunneling through the Escarpment.
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There is a process that would have to be navigated, and various problem solving. For example, the tunnel portals can theoretically be outside of the NEC boundaries.

There's a steep slope at the bottom of the escarpment that is outside the NEC boundaries, and the portal can start there.

Depending on how it is done, it is less disruptive to NEC lands than many 'exceptions' that are occasionally approved on a case-by-case basis (like new electricity lines across the Escarpment). Also, it is a green method of transport, which helps greatly.
 
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From here.

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^ Just to be clear since you replied to my post, no, I'm not suggesting an LRT line in Hamilton is not justified.
 
gibsonm said:
Winnipeg has 750,000 people. Look at what Portland, Oregon has, a city with less than 650,000 people:
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You're telling me Hamilton, with 580,000 people, can't justify one LRT line? It comes down to choices. Portland is a city that attracts talent.
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Just to be clear, alot of Portland LRT isn't separated from traffic and operates more as a streetcar throughout downtown. LRT has many advantages, but doesn't always live up to the hype of drawing ridership.
 
asher__jo said:
Just to be clear, alot of Portland LRT isn't separated from traffic and operates more as a streetcar throughout downtown. LRT has many advantages, but doesn't always live up to the hype of drawing ridership.
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It’s about more than current ridership. It’s about providing necessary infrastructure upgrades and revitalization. Hamilton will grow. Will it simply be another automobile-based sprawling suburb that turns its back on the old downtown or will it make the most out of re-using great buildings and neighbourhoods in the old core that can have a bright new life as mixed use creative corridors? That’s where the real money is. Think of how the Two Kings plan transformed King and Spadina and King and Jarvis in Toronto? Those areas were wastelands 30 years ago. Now they are media and tech centres. Young talented people don’t want to be stuck in the faceless burbs with nowhere to walk, dependent on a vehicle.
 
gibsonm said:
It’s about more than current ridership. It’s about providing necessary infrastructure upgrades and revitalization. Hamilton will grow. Will it simply be another automobile-based sprawling suburb that turns its back on the old downtown or will it make the most out of re-using great buildings and neighbourhoods in the old core that can have a bright new life as mixed use creative corridors? That’s where the real money is. Think of how the Two Kings plan transformed King and Spadina and King and Jarvis in Toronto? Those areas were wastelands 30 years ago. Now they are media and tech centres. Young talented people don’t want to be stuck in the faceless burbs with nowhere to walk, dependent on a vehicle.
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My comment is to those that think that building LRT alone will revitalize areas or increase ridership in isolation from zoning changes/neighbourhood plans/transit connectivity. When assessing whether LRT is appropriate, citing examples such as the 99 B-line in Vancouver show how much can be done with articulated buses, priority lanes and transit signal priority.
 
Clearly urban planning is multi-faceted. I won’t comment on the uninspiring busway in Vancouver, except to say that Hamilton needs more help than Vancouver.
 
gibsonm said:
Clearly urban planning is multi-faceted. I won’t comment on the uninspiring busway in Vancouver, except to say that Hamilton needs more help than Vancouver.
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Vancouver was incorporated in 1886, while Hamilton was incorporated in 1846. (Montreal incorporated 1832, Toronto 1834.)
 
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