KhalilHeron
Active Member
Mt Dennis also had a token collector as of 2024Oh my...is that a NEW Payphone!!!! It was probably installed before cell phones....lol
(Photo from the Globe & Mail article)
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innsertnamehere
Superstar
It's just comically close to the two adjacent stations.
I mean, the westbound Warden platform is all of 75 metres from the eastbound Lebovic platform. Total stop spacing between Warden and Lebovic is less than 250 metres. It's a joke. Even if you deleted Lebovic, you would be looking at a 700 metre stop spacing between Warden and Pharmacy which is still very reasonable.
The Ferrand stop is similarly useless, requiring passengers to cross Eglinton at the DVP off-ramp (dangerous and unpleasant) and servicing very little in easy walking distance that wouldn't prefer to walk to Don Mills instead.
Metrolinx deleting those two stops would have substantially improved travel times on the surface alignment with a very, very minimal impact to riders.
Steve X
Senior Member
The underground tunnel does allow the LRVs to run faster than the trains on Line 2. They should be able to get through quickly.
The Leslie turn will be a bottleneck. They should really allow the trains through before the long queue of turning traffic.
Double stopping will be allowing. The three lights at VP, Eglinton Square and Pharmacy will be very slow. They should grade separate this section.
I disagree with removing the Lebovic stop. Unless they totally remove that intersection and prevent shoppers from going through it, it won’t help with much.
I also expect that stop to be busy with shoppers. Perhaps they should just place one stop between warden and lebovic and get everyone to walk.
hw621
Senior Member
Speaking of which, is there cell phone service in the underground section?Oh my...is that a NEW Payphone!!!! It was probably installed before cell phones....
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Voltz
Senior Member
Yes it was mentioned during an open house, hopefully by now they have had plenty of time to get it working.
smallspy
Senior Member
In testing, it does.
In testing, it does not.
21 minutes seems to be a consistent number to go from Leslie to Kennedy.
Dan
ThenWhat
New Member
Toronto has the Open Data portal where various types of TTC data may be found. It would make good sense to include end-to-end travel times. I don't know if those will be included. If not then with some effort they could be computed from the reported delays and published schedules.
nfitz
Superstar
I was really surprised to receive a copy of the 2025 yellow pages in my mailbox the other day. They are probably too thin for the holder.
urbanclient
Active Member
21 minutes for the under and above ground section respectively for a total of ~42 minutes with no passengers but with a simulated dwell time for passenger movement, correct me if I am wrong. I can't help but expect the real world conditions to be slower than 42 minutes in testing. 21 minutes to travel 8km implies an average speed of 22.85km/h above ground. Given how weak the signal priority is, I'll believe it when I see it.
steamed-apple_juice:
"boarding and alighting an LRT will take longer than the subway due to door placement and internal circulation"
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Steve X
Senior Member
The testing trains run pretty slowly to account for those loading time.
It is ridiculous that the left turn signal for a few cars take priority over the hundreds of riders on the train. By simply placing the left turn phase after straight traffic, the same amount of cars still get through each cycle with the benefit of shaving off a few minutes. This city is so backwards.
drum118
Superstar
Since both stations are service by bus routes going north-south how do riders transfer to the LRT if one or both stations are remove?? How do you handle a walking transfer while maintaining the 2 hour windon for Presto without having riders having to pay an exta fare if they use time walking to/from an LRT station to/from the bus route??
chrisw
Active Member
Bus routes can be rerouted towards transfer points.
Anyways you're mistaken, Hakimi Lebovic and Aga Khan (Ferrand) both don't have bus route connections.
smallspy
Senior Member
Consider yourself corrected.
Operators have been simulating service at all stops, opening and closing the doors, but more importantly leaving them open for some time before initiating the closing sequence. The 21 minute figure is an average of travel times and factors in the traffic lights. Just like on the subway, that can be longer or shorter if the dwell time is lengthened or reduced.
Dan
smallspy
Senior Member
And how many trains will service the westbound Warden and then the eastbound Lebovic stops in that sequence?
Hint: It's none.
No matter how close those two stops may appear to be on a map, the reality is that they are still 330 metres away from each other to the trains and passengers onboard.
Substantially? Not likely, with each stop only requiring a minute or less to service.
Dan
innsertnamehere
Superstar
If we are looking at a ~21 minute travel time on the surface portion of the line, 2 minutes saved means that's a 10% speed improvement. It's relatively substantial.
Saying the stations are 330 metres apart in reality, while true, still isn't really helping your case I don't think. "rapid transit" stops simply don't need to be that close together.
Regardless, what is done is done. The stations got built.