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Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

Metroscapes said:
Steven Del Duca is no longer a provincial cabinet minister.
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He would still be the best person to announce the opening of the Crosstown line. There's no one who can drum up excitement like him.

Actually while the province is at it, they should call up Mike Harris and have him at the opening. He played a monumental role in ensuring the completion of this timeless project. I actually even think they should rename the line after him, he's such a quality human being.
 
Amare said:
He would still be the best person to announce the opening of the Crosstown line. There's no one who can drum up excitement like him.

Actually while the province is at it, they should call up Mike Harris and have him at the opening. He played a monumental role in ensuring the completion of this timeless project. I actually even think they should rename the line after him, he's such a quality human being.
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Harris? The one that canceled the Eglinton Subway?
Please, tell us you are joking.
 
Amare said:
He would still be the best person to announce the opening of the Crosstown line. There's no one who can drum up excitement like him.

Actually while the province is at it, they should call up Mike Harris and have him at the opening. He played a monumental role in ensuring the completion of this timeless project. I actually even think they should rename the line after him, he's such a quality human being.
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Meh, his son will be in the background as a clapping seal, no doubt, despite having zero connection to this project..
 
stfeinberg said:
A high capacity line north of Bloor that moves people laterally is simply non-negotiable for Toronto's future. As I've said, when people experience Eglinton LRT for themselves they will instantly realize it is neither high capacity, nor is it pragmatic in any sense of the word. Eglinton will be an extremely slow line that will be plagued with delays due to sharing the road with vehicular traffic. LRT can work in quaint t2, t3 European cities, but not in North America. Many people will try to argue with me on this, but all I can respond with is: "Wait, and see for yourself."
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(https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/sheppard-line-4-subway-extension-proposed.20503/page-385)

I calculated the actual travel time to be about 50 minutes from Mount Dennis to Kennedy. York University to Union on Line 1 (under ideal conditions) is scheduled to take 38 minutes for 19km. There is no way 19km of Line 5 with ~8km of surface running will take the 38 minutes as advertised. Assuming the same speeds as Line 2 in the tunnel section, 20km/h surface speeds or no traffic bus speeds (Google Maps) we'd be looking at 45-55 minutes.
 
urbanclient said:
(https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/sheppard-line-4-subway-extension-proposed.20503/page-385)

I calculated the actual travel time to be about 50 minutes from Mount Dennis to Kennedy. York University to Union on Line 1 (under ideal conditions) is scheduled to take 38 minutes for 19km. There is no way 19km of Line 5 with ~8km of surface running will take the 38 minutes as advertised. Assuming the same speeds as Line 2 in the tunnel section, 20km/h surface speeds or no traffic bus speeds (Google Maps) we'd be looking at 45-55 minutes.
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How long does it take now, by current options?
The thing to remember is that they advertised that the new Eglinton LRT line will be 60% faster.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7064304,-79.3996858,3a,75y,133.32h,83.01t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sSxmgpgHyljsHq2gdnG7Y8A!2e0!5s20161101T000000!6shttps://streetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com/v1/thumbnail?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&w=900&h=600&pitch=6.987918706120141&panoid=SxmgpgHyljsHq2gdnG7Y8A&yaw=133.31715481318923!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTAyNy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==
 
 
PL1 said:
The Globe and Mail has an article on the Line 5 Crosstown today. Nothing major new that I can see, but a good summary of it and the problems.
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Metrolinx has long been criticized for its lack of independence from the government, and the control Queen’s Park exerts over its ability to communicate. In early October, Dakota Brasier, a spokesperson for the Transportation Minister, acknowledged to The Globe that to avoid yet more negative headlines, for several days she barred Metrolinx from responding to media inquiries about whether Eglinton’s final 30-day revenue test had actually started on time.
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That would explain why MX hasnt spoke about RSD at all.
 
Oh my...is that a NEW Payphone!!!! It was probably installed before cell phones.... 🤦‍♂️ lol

(Photo from the Globe & Mail article)
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urbanclient said:
(https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/sheppard-line-4-subway-extension-proposed.20503/page-385)

I calculated the actual travel time to be about 50 minutes from Mount Dennis to Kennedy. York University to Union on Line 1 (under ideal conditions) is scheduled to take 38 minutes for 19km. There is no way 19km of Line 5 with ~8km of surface running will take the 38 minutes as advertised. Assuming the same speeds as Line 2 in the tunnel section, 20km/h surface speeds or no traffic bus speeds (Google Maps) we'd be looking at 45-55 minutes.
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Given that RSD is now in progress, Metrolinx and/or the TTC will now finally have hard data on travel times. I for one am just dying to see the numbers.

But will I? Die, I mean, before I or any member of the public see those numbers, once the thing actually opens? I’m not saying that will happen. But it would be fully consistent with their record so far.
 
Looking at Google Maps in the middle of the day, to drive the full length of the Eglinton LRT is about 52 minutes while a bus straight across Eglinton (not the preferred route, which would be taking Line 2) would take 1 hour 29 minutes.

60% faster than driving would be 33 minutes, 60% faster than transit would be 56 minutes.

60% faster than the preferred transit route which is currently 1 hour 14 minutes would be 46 minutes.

I guess those are the potential target travel times to achieve.
 
regarding speed - the Bloor Line between Kipling and Keele takes 13 minutes to go 6.7km with an average stop spacing of ~850 metres - the same stop spacing as the underground part of the Crosstown. This is an average speed of 31km/h.

Eglinton's underground speed should be generally similar. Which means the travel time for the 11km underground portion should be ~21 minutes.

To hit that 38 minute travel time, it means that the LRT would need to cover the ~8km surface portion in 17 minutes, or an average speed of 28km/h. I'm doubtful it'll be hit.

The western half of the surface portion will be relatively quick. There are just 5 signalized intersections from Laird to Victoria Park, across about 5km, and average stop spacing remains at about ~850m. Speed across here should be relatively strong - I could see 25km/h or greater. So lets assume 11 minutes to get to Victoria Park from Leaside, which leaves.. 6 minutes to get across the Golden Mile. There are 8 signalized intersections and 6 stations across 3km. This part will be SLOW. Probably like 20km/h, if that. Optimistically, probably another 9 minutes to cross that 3 km.

Total estimate travel time: ~41 minutes.

Also: The Lebovic stop still bothers the hell out of me. It's completely unnecessary.
 
innsertnamehere said:
regarding speed - the Bloor Line between Kipling and Keele takes 13 minutes to go 6.7km with an average stop spacing of ~850 metres - the same stop spacing as the underground part of the Crosstown. This is an average speed of 31km/h.

Eglinton's underground speed should be generally similar. Which means the travel time for the 11km underground portion should be ~21 minutes.

To hit that 38 minute travel time, it means that the LRT would need to cover the ~8km surface portion in 17 minutes, or an average speed of 28km/h. I'm doubtful it'll be hit.

The western half of the surface portion will be relatively quick. There are just 5 signalized intersections from Laird to Victoria Park, across about 5km, and average stop spacing remains at about ~850m. Speed across here should be relatively strong - I could see 25km/h or greater. So lets assume 11 minutes to get to Victoria Park from Leaside, which leaves.. 6 minutes to get across the Golden Mile. There are 8 signalized intersections and 6 stations across 3km. This part will be SLOW. Probably like 20km/h, if that. Optimistically, probably another 9 minutes to cross that 3 km.

Total estimate travel time: ~41 minutes.

Also: The Lebovic stop still bothers the hell out of me. It's completely unnecessary.
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I think that stop (Lebovic) is mainly for when all of that area is redeveloped with all of the condo towers planned for that area. Makes me think of the Northbound Richmond and Queen stops with their spacing being very close. (Downtown I know, but awfully close).
 
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