Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[nfitz]

This is surprising considering Google sucks at updating their routing for a number of the restrictions downtown, eg. most King St. thru and turning restrictions.

Do you have an example? I just checked.

When it was first implemented it took 3 or 4 days last decade for them to add the restrictions - but it's always seemed to be there when I've checked since.

1-minute by bike, 5 minutes by car. If there's no traffic:

Downtown Yonge East to The Path - Commerce Ct

www.google.ca

 

[urbancog]

An LRV crossed the bridge and entered Mt Dennis Station as I was driving up Black Creek Drive yesterday at 22:30. Didn't realize they were testing that late.

 

[Steve X]

An LRV crossed the bridge and entered Mt Dennis Station as I was driving up Black Creek Drive yesterday at 22:30. Didn't realize they were testing that late.

They gotta simulated service in late evenings too as the line is expected to operated to 1am

 

[crs1026]

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I have said before, and will say again - from a human factors/ cognitive design perspective this is far too many signs and sets a trap for motorists (who are after all also attending to auto and LRT and cyclist traffic, pedestrians, and other stimuli while trying to read the signs..... at speed.... do we really want motorists slowing to a crawl until they have processed it all?)

- Paul

PS - each of the signs may be "legal" and "to code" as individual objects, but when combined in this manner, their respective shapes, sizes, and placements creates cognitive chaos.

 

[evandyk]

at speed.... do we really want motorists slowing to a crawl )

We do, but there are better ways!

 

[11th]

We do, but there are better ways!

What about buses?

 

[jordanmkasla2009]

The only similar LRT to Eglinton's above ground portion that has been operational for years is KWs and while there are crashes here and there the vast majority of the time the route runs fine, sure there are crashes but that is inevitable with any interaction between vehicles. In KW Keolis/GRT have managed to develop a reaction plan to service disruptions rather quickly often taking a bus or two off of routes that interline with the LRT to start a bus bridge until supervisors/extra drivers can bring busses from a garage to service the interrupted section. The rest of the line still runs fine around the section with the outage. Often times the outages only last a couple of hours while it does suck it really doesn't cause too much chaos. The only times they really last more than that is when there is a significant injury involved (pedestrian/cyclist hit) or signaling infrastructure gets hit.

The worst part is the first year of it running, after that people for the most part get used to it and stop doing stupid things, sure you can't get rid of stupid so crashes are still inevitable but they are way less frequent. Between the LRTs launch June 21 2019 to now there's only been 65 crashes, one every 33 days. In the first year of it running there was a total of 18 crashes (one every 20 days), after the first year its been one crash every 38 days. Sure KWs LRT is far from perfect but crashes are no where near as big of an issue as people make it seem and the same thing will likely be true of Eglinton.

Also worth noting, the collisions involving cars in KW have cost the taxpayers exactly $0 in repairs. All repairs paid for by the car driver's insurance.

 

[dowlingm]

Would automatic enforcement with a camera help? Or even be allowed by law?

Depends. Are the cameras going to be mounted like parkside drive and the other places they have been trashed?

My vote is to crush every car that left turns at a prohibited junction, and mount the cube on a pedestal at the intersection with a sign saying “this car turned left”

 

[evandyk]

What about buses?

Every bus line that meets a certain ridership threshold should get a dedicated lane. And if that's the only lane available, so be it.

 

[Thaboss]

We don’t even know if that pickup purposely violated the sign to save time or ignore it.

Heck you can see how many cars identifies as bus and use the red painted bus lane to turn on a transit signal left from Ellesmere onto Brimley. What’s their excuse? Can’t read a sign? Can’t tell a black transit signal is not for them? Can’t tell the red paint is not for them? I doubt it, they are just selfish.

There are a lot of drivers that ignores the 4-6pm turn prohibition signs on minor roads. The purpose is to reduce traffic on residential streets.

Do what the dutch do.

Automatic bollards that raise from the ground and disappear when no longer needed. Or automatic cameras that fine you for entering certain zones without the correct authority

 

[crs1026]

We do, but there are better ways!

LOL - I get your point, but actually we do want vehicular traffic to flow, and we are punishing ourselves as a city if we needlessly force traffic to a crawl instead of maximising (safe) throughput.

Generally we can only expedite auto traffic if we provide physical separation from pedestrians, cyclists, and transit. The surface LRT's (as we are designing them) do the exact opposite.... they create the potential for everyone to end up in the same space by misreading intersections. (I'm not thrilled by the minimalist design of refuge platforms for pedestrians at the intersections, either....I'm predicting people get hit by both cars and trams because of the lack of places to stand safely).

The perfect signage would give a motorist a clear view of their options and pathways well in advance of the intersection, so there are no snap decisions required and no ambiguity to be processed.

- Paul

 

[Rainforest]

We do want clear signage, and we don't want any collisions (or as few as possible). Even if we think in monetary terms alone; car insurance might cover the repair costs, but "taxpayers" end up covering the medical treatments of people who get injured.

However, how many accidents are actually related to the LRT and its configuration, versus the "baseline" number of accidents in the same road stretch? For example, in KW; are there noticeably more accidents after the LRT was constructed, compared to the same road stretches pre-LRT?

Or, is the rate basically the same, but the LRT-involving accidents attract more attention and therefore over-represented in the media?

 

[TOtramz]

Has testing resumed since the crash involving the truck?

 

[Aplus23]

Has testing resumed since the crash involving the truck?

I saw a train departing Kennedy today

 

[Simeon]

I saw a train departing Kennedy today

not sure where he was going cause yesterday I drove along the stops on from Don Mills to Warden and Victoria Park to Warden Ave was yellow taped. It was pretty clear that they were doing track construction work. I wish I took a picture because I couldn't believe it. Track work. I am extremely pessimistic that this line will open in 2025.