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[ZEBuilder]

This is going to cause so many service disruptions

The only similar LRT to Eglinton's above ground portion that has been operational for years is KWs and while there are crashes here and there the vast majority of the time the route runs fine, sure there are crashes but that is inevitable with any interaction between vehicles. In KW Keolis/GRT have managed to develop a reaction plan to service disruptions rather quickly often taking a bus or two off of routes that interline with the LRT to start a bus bridge until supervisors/extra drivers can bring busses from a garage to service the interrupted section. The rest of the line still runs fine around the section with the outage. Often times the outages only last a couple of hours while it does suck it really doesn't cause too much chaos. The only times they really last more than that is when there is a significant injury involved (pedestrian/cyclist hit) or signaling infrastructure gets hit.

The worst part is the first year of it running, after that people for the most part get used to it and stop doing stupid things, sure you can't get rid of stupid so crashes are still inevitable but they are way less frequent. Between the LRTs launch June 21 2019 to now there's only been 65 crashes, one every 33 days. In the first year of it running there was a total of 18 crashes (one every 20 days), after the first year its been one crash every 38 days. Sure KWs LRT is far from perfect but crashes are no where near as big of an issue as people make it seem and the same thing will likely be true of Eglinton.

 

[11th]

Funny timing as just a couple hours before your message there was another collision.

A pickup truck travelling EB tried to illegally turn left onto Birchmount (no left turn allowed at anytime, well marked for road users too) while an eastbound LRV was entering the intersection. Not sure about damages but looked pretty minor.

Technically they can already signed this as a Michigan Left intersection. Ban left turns from Birchmount also.
The U-turns can happen at Rosemount at the east and Sinnott at the west.

The way it's currently signed, it leaves drivers to figure out how to "turn left" onto Birchmount.

 

[nfitz]

Technically they can already signed this as a Michigan Left intersection.

When did they make this a Michigan left? It wasn't in the 2024 streetview I posted above.

 

[bearcat]

Technically they can already signed this as a Michigan Left intersection. Ban left turns from Birchmount also.
The U-turns can happen at Rosemount at the east and Sinnott at the west.

The way it's currently signed, it leaves drivers to figure out how to "turn left" onto Birchmount.

If you're just doing a U-turn at the next intersection where it is allowed, is it really a Michigan Left?

I guess they can put up a sign saying "U-turns permitted at next intersection".

 

[nfitz]

If you're just doing a U-turn at the next intersection where it is allowed, is it really a Michigan Left?

I guess they can put up a sign saying "U-turns permitted at next intersection".

By default, if there's a no-left turn sign, but no signs about U-turns, is a U-turn permitted? (I'd think it would be.

Here though, there is both signs. Way too small. Way too late.

Green arrows on the traffic lights would help too. And not using green and red signals for the LRT (which we've discussed here so many times already).

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[TOtramz]

Funny timing as just a couple hours before your message there was another collision.

A pickup truck travelling EB tried to illegally turn left onto Birchmount (no left turn allowed at anytime, well marked for road users too) while an eastbound LRV was entering the intersection. Not sure about damages but looked pretty minor.

I really hope that doesn’t cause more delays to testing….

 

[bearcat]

By default, if there's a no-left turn sign, but no signs about U-turns, is a U-turn permitted? (I'd think it would be.

Here though, there is both signs. Way too small. Way too late.

Green arrows on the traffic lights would help too. And not using green and red signals for the LRT (which we've discussed here so many times already).

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Yes, U-turns our permitted by default, but a sign saying that you are definitely allowed to do a U-turn at the next intersection (that is there will not be a sign there saying that you can't) might dissuade people from disobeying the left turn prohibition because they know they can do a u-turn and a right turn after instead.

Green arrows are a problem If right turns are permitted at that intersection.

 

[SaugeenJunction]

Example of what Line 5’s digital signs on the LRVs say

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[nfitz]

Green arrows are a problem If right turns are permitted at that intersection.

Put an arrow for the lefthand lane, and a regular light for the righthand lane.

Still, province needs to clean up the regulations for transit and traffic signals.

 

[T3G]

Yikes, they've had how long to test everything and that's the best they could come up with?

 

[Steve X]

We don’t even know if that pickup purposely violated the sign to save time or ignore it.

Heck you can see how many cars identifies as bus and use the red painted bus lane to turn on a transit signal left from Ellesmere onto Brimley. What’s their excuse? Can’t read a sign? Can’t tell a black transit signal is not for them? Can’t tell the red paint is not for them? I doubt it, they are just selfish.

There are a lot of drivers that ignores the 4-6pm turn prohibition signs on minor roads. The purpose is to reduce traffic on residential streets.

 

[11th]

When did they make this a Michigan left? It wasn't in the 2024 streetview I posted above.

They never, but they can, since it has a quasi set up of it. It just needs better signage to direct people who wishes to turn left from Eglinton to Birchmount.

 

[Steve X]

They never, but they can, since it has a quasi set up of it. It just needs better signage to direct people who wishes to turn left from Eglinton to Birchmount.

I wished this city understands that there are many non standard traffic layout deviations from a typical North American city and they need overhead signs with diagrams to help people navigate through these special cases.

Such examples is how to turn onto Queens Quay.
How to get onto Brimley from Ellesemere. A tiny sign in words is not sufficient when it’s on the right side and who knows the name of the next street.

 

[nfitz]

They never, but they can, since it has a quasi set up of it. It just needs better signage to direct people who wishes to turn left from Eglinton to Birchmount.

I guess with some clear signage at Birchmount, it could be. It effectively is - and what Google recommends.

 

[reinventingthewheel]

I guess with some clear signage at Birchmount, it could be. It effectively is - and what Google recommends.

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This is surprising considering Google sucks at updating their routing for a number of the restrictions downtown, eg. most King St. thru and turning restrictions.