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I think something to keep in mind is these pictures are probably not being released the day that they are taken. Just like the one above they say its from last week. Also, all the comparisons are from 2018 and who knows how late in 2018 they were taken. The underground stations could be a lot further along than we think.
 
W. K. Lis said:
Meanwhile, in Brussels...
Appears that some stations were formally high-platform, but were converted to low-platform.
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It's called "foresight". They were built that way for later conversion, if need be, to Metro. Same overhead power supply, and ability to interline. It's only some of the lines that were built this way. Brussels has one of the largest tram systems in the world.

This is exactly one of the examples I've used for Toronto to copy for the Relief Line and others, but alas...Torontonians think we have the answers when we're over a generation behind.
 
W. K. Lis said:
Meanwhile, in Brussels...


Appears that some stations were formally high-platform, but were converted to low-platform.
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I wonder if the TTC would have done the same if the SRT had been converted to LRT and just cut out a section of the platform and put in strairs and ramps to get to the trains?
 
W. K. Lis said:
Or convert Line 4 SHEPPARD to light rail?
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Please no.
Seriously, Toronto is at least double that of Brussels in population.

All current subways should stay subways.
Crosstown should have been a subway.
DRL should be a subway.
SRT should have been expanded, or built as a subway.

With a finite of tax dollars available, it sshould go to projects that will move the most people as efficiently as possible.
 
micheal_can said:
Please no.
Seriously, Toronto is at least double that of Brussels in population.

All current subways should stay subways.
Crosstown should have been a subway.
DRL should be a subway.
SRT should have been expanded, or built as a subway.

With a finite of tax dollars available, it sshould go to projects that will move the most people as efficiently as possible.
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Please yes!

What moves the most people on Sheppard, for the most efficient use of dollars, is LRT. If they converted the existing tunnel to vehicles that would allow the line to be extended, travel times would remain the same between Don Mills and Yonge. In Scarborough, for the $4.5 billion that is being proposed to extend the subway 3 stations, you could instead build a 50-station LRT network and have $1 billion left over - with higher projected ridership.

The King streetcar carries more riders than Line 3 and Line 4 combined!
 
nfitz said:
Please yes!

What moves the most people on Sheppard, for the most efficient use of dollars, is LRT. If they converted the existing tunnel to vehicles that would allow the line to be extended, travel times would remain the same between Don Mills and Yonge. In Scarborough, for the $4.5 billion that is being proposed to extend the subway 3 stations, you could instead build a 50-station LRT network and have $1 billion left over - with higher projected ridership.

The King streetcar carries more riders than Line 3 and Line 4 combined!
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Maybe people just need to see the central/underground part of the Crosstown in operation to convince people that that conversion makes sense
 
micheal_can said:
Please no.
Seriously, Toronto is at least double that of Brussels in population.

All current subways should stay subways.
Crosstown should have been a subway.
DRL should be a subway.
SRT should have been expanded, or built as a subway.

With a finite of tax dollars available, it sshould go to projects that will move the most people as efficiently as possible.
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So in summary your argument is because we only have a "finite amount of tax dollars available" we should only build subways subways subways! I don't think that exactly makes the most sense if any sense at all.
 
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micheal_can said:
With a finite of tax dollars available, it sshould go to projects that will move the most people as efficiently as possible.
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Which is "Regional Rail" according to cities considerably larger than Toronto, and *vastly* more sophisticated and developed transit systems.

Do the terms "Paris RER" and "Crossrail" ring any bells?

And Brussel's tram system dwarfs that of Toronto. If you really want to get into population comparisons, Toronto comes out with the shitty end the stick, no matter what they ate.

The Brussels tram (or streetcar) system is a transport system in Brussels, Belgium. It is one of the ten largest tram systems in the world, carrying some 123.5 million passengers in 2012. In 2013, the Brussels tram system consists of 19 tram lines (three of which – lines T3, T4 and T7 – qualify as premetro lines).Sep 15, 2015
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Trams in Brussels, Belgium 2015 - YouTube
A premetro is a tramway or light railway which includes segments built to rapid transit standards, generally as part of a process of conversion to a metro-standards railway usually by the construction of tunnels in the central city area.
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Premetro - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premetro
History
The first city to carry a portion of a streetcar line through the city center in a tunnel was Marseille, France, in 1893, with its Noailles subterranean station (see Marseille tramway). It was initially operated by horse-drawn wagons. The next prominent example was the Tremont Street Subway (1897) in Boston, today part of the MBTA Green Line. These early tunnels were intended solely to reduce streetcar congestion on surface streets, not for later conversion to metro service.[2]Several early streetcar tunnels, including the Steinway Tunnel and East Boston Tunnel, were later converted to metro operation. However, the small loading gauge, tight curves, and steep grades of the streetcar tunnels required smaller metro cars than otherwise desirable.[2]

The modern premetro concept began in 1960s Germany, as rising traffic congestion due to auto ownership led to the construction of new transit systems. Rather than building costly metro lines immediately, some cities built only the downtown tunnels. They could be used by existing tram lines in the short term, with the intention of full metro conversion later - hence "pre-metro".[3] The idea spread to other European countries in the 1970s, especially Belgium, where such systems were explicitly named premetros.[3]
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New Scientist:
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https://books.google.ca/books?id=xgKLfKjjft8C&lpg=PA699&dq=&pg=PA699&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
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