TransitBart
Senior Member
That would be a lot of joules of heat each winter. Ouch.
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That would be a lot of joules of heat each winter. Ouch.
junctionist
Senior Member
Heated shelters would alleviate the complaint among Scarborough residents that they have to put up with freezing in the cold of winter waiting for light-rail trains, while people in other parts of the city wait relatively comfortably in underground subway stations. Waiting in the cold is a legitimate complaint if the trains won't arrive every 2-5 minutes, which may very well be the case. Spending a small amount on heaters to make a transit line user friendly and popular is a far better use of resources than spending billions to tunnel a subway extension where it's not necessary, just to address minor issues like waiting in the cold or avoiding a two-staircase walk to transfer between trains.
APTA-2048
Senior Member
Heated shelters would be a nice touch. So far I am a little bit concerned about the difference in design between the underground "stations" and above ground "stops" leading to an inferiority complex, because we all know that's already a thing. Heated shelters and guaranteed transit signal priority could go a long way.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
I think the shelters for the stops are likely to bee the same as the ones we see on Queens Quay, Spadina, and St. Clare. The only thing they seem to plan to be adding is WiFi to them. Heating them would be a big expense and may attract homeless poel to camp out in them.
Johnny Au
Superstar
Good thing they aren't adding too many Pokéstops to them.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
If they can heat most condos, office buildings, even house driveway entrances and exits for their motor vehicles, we can heat the platforms for the second class citizens who use public transit.
It's time that transit riders be first class citizens.
It's time that transit riders be first class citizens.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
apparently all of them actually had something to do with another game by the same developer that was less popular called Ingress ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingress_(video_game) )
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
If they can heat most condos, office buildings, even house driveway entrances and exits for their motor vehicles, we can heat the platforms for the second class citizens who use public transit.
It's time that transit riders be first class citizens.
heating the ground to melt snow and ice does not provide any heat to keep someone warm as there aren't any walls or floors that are insulated to radiate the heat. I relly don't think Metrolinx is going to spend money building sheds at Transit stops to keep people warm in the winter, they will just have to suck it up like streets and bus riders do. Maybe they might have a small structure with heaters in it like some go train platforms do but with them being in the middle of the street as opposed to an isolated platform by a railroad track they could still have problems with homeless poel wanting to live/ crash in them.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Why does Metrolinx heat GO train stations but not subway stations? Why is Metrolinx treating transit using Torontonians like second-class citizens? Toronto deserves better than this. Disband Metrolinx and throw Wynne out!
/s
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
But seriously, why is Metrolinx heating GO train stations, but not LRT stations that'll see multiple times more usage than the busiest GO Transit line.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
The only parts of Go train stations heated are the ticket agents both and the washrooms inside of that building They also have a couple of shelters with heaters in the ceiling at each station. The heating going into the ground has nothing to do with passenger comfort other then making it so snow and Ice doesn't form on the ground at them and they don't have to use road salt on them to do that.
Heating subway platforms is a completely different animal altogether because the ends of the tunnel are open and have exhaust ventilation in them for various reason they can't heat the platforms even if they put doors in as it's too high of a cost to maintain heating in them do to the open nature of the tunnels. I don't think there is a transit system anywhere in the world that heats or cools there subway platforms because of how much it would cost in wasted energy to do it.
salsa
Senior Member
I think TigerMaster is talking about surface LRT stations, not underground ones.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
I think Viva has some shelters on their platforms they heat. Maybe metrolinks will do that the only problem is they look really ugly and they turn into ovens in the summer months.
cplchanb
Senior Member
not to mention the frequency....in most cases during rush hour a rider may probably be cold for lets say a few minutes until the next train arrives. currently one will have to wait at least 30 min for a go train and even at the future 15 min its still
much longer exposure than someone waiting for a subway or lrt. unless its -30 at which no melters or outdoor heaters would work, one can wait in the cold for 5 min whereas 30 min in a normal winter is actually rsking frostbite and hypothermia.
oyea....from a cost perspective, ECT has many more stops than go train stations that has no heating...
torontopeter
Senior Member
How much would it cost to heat the x times more platforms/stops on the Crosstown LRT than that exist on GO lines? One would think an order of magnitude more. And that's likely why there won't be heated stops.
You can drop the whining about second class citizens now. This is beginning to sound like that garbage coming from that guy from Scarborough on the other thread.
You can drop the whining about second class citizens now. This is beginning to sound like that garbage coming from that guy from Scarborough on the other thread.