Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[denfromoakvillemilton]

There should be no doubt left that there will be a new transit line on Eglinton after tonight

I think the next question is (not if, but) when they will proceed with Phase 2 (to the airport). It's part of the Big Move under the 15-year plan, so that's giving it by 2021.

I think that will wait until the municipal election. Tory has something in mind for that western corridor, so that may still be up in the air. But yes, it is pretty much a given that we will have rapid transit on the majority of Eglinton.

I'm really excited for eglinton guys. It's nice to know Eglinton west will definitely get something by 2030 at least

The launch shaft has already begun construction between Brentcliffe and Leslie. I don't think the election results affects this, but even if it did it's too late.

they can do a rough in if it comes to that.

 

[Solid Snake]

The launch shaft has already begun construction between Brentcliffe and Leslie. I don't think the election results affects this, but even if it did it's too late.

An underground Leslie Station is useless, even an above ground station is useless. I can see Metrolinx having the LRT at grade skipping Leslie with no left turns allowed so that the train can just travel at full speed to Don Mills.

TTC had planned for buses serving Leslie to get passengers to Laird or Don Mills.

 

[salsa]

I think the next question is (not if, but) when they will proceed with Phase 2 (to the airport). It's part of the Big Move under the 15-year plan, so that's giving it by 2021.

It's not part of the 2nd Wave of transit projects, so we won't be seeing this anytime soon.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

An underground Leslie Station is useless, even an above ground station is useless. I can see Metrolinx having the LRT at grade skipping Leslie with no left turns allowed so that the train can just travel at full speed to Don Mills.

TTC had planned for buses serving Leslie to get passengers to Laird or Don Mills.

Agreed. 100 percent. I wounder if you can't just cut Leslie altogether quietly though.

 

[Solid Snake]

Agreed. 100 percent. I wounder if you can't just cut Leslie altogether quietly though.

Isn't that provincial riding a guaranteed seat for the Liberals anyways? That's one stop where Metrolinx would tell council to piss off with 0% chance of repercussion

 

[BurlOak]

An underground Leslie Station is useless, even an above ground station is useless. I can see Metrolinx having the LRT at grade skipping Leslie with no left turns allowed so that the train can just travel at full speed to Don Mills.

TTC had planned for buses serving Leslie to get passengers to Laird or Don Mills.

No left turn from Leslie SB to Eglinton EB. No left turn from Eglinton EB to Leslie NB.
A multi-level interchange has a better chance of being approved.

 

[DonValleyRainbow]

Agreed. 100 percent. I wounder if you can't just cut Leslie altogether quietly though.

There was considerable objection from local citizens on this issue IIRC, so it's not 'councillors hijacking the line'.

That's Metrolinx listening to input from local consultation, and I fail to see how it will be major impediment from the Crosstown's overall operation. I don't think they would have gone ahead with accepting it if it was a truly bad idea.

 

[DB9]

Isn't that provincial riding a guaranteed seat for the Liberals anyways? That's one stop where Metrolinx would tell council to piss off with 0% chance of repercussion

It's probably the best test to see if Metrolinx can grow a real back-bone with Wynne's blessing.

 

[ehlow]

There was considerable objection from local citizens on this issue IIRC, so it's not 'councillors hijacking the line'.

That's Metrolinx listening to input from local consultation, and I fail to see how it will be major impediment from the Crosstown's overall operation. I don't think they would have gone ahead with accepting it if it was a truly bad idea.

Yes this issue has very little relation to the provincial election, and the decision has been made and construction is happening. Metrolinx is somewhat (theoretically) an independent organization, it's not like the provincial legislature will suddenly have a vote on whether to keep each stop on the Crosstown.

 

[Solid Snake]

Yes this issue has very little relation to the provincial election, and the decision has been made and construction is happening. Metrolinx is somewhat (theoretically) an independent organization, it's not like the provincial legislature will suddenly have a vote on whether to keep each stop on the Crosstown.

They might grow a back bone since they must have been told by the liberals to be more accommodating since they were a minority. Now, that they're a majority, Metrolinx might feels that they can proceed according to their plan

 

[BurlOak]

They might grow a back bone since they must have been told by the liberals to be more accommodating since they were a minority. Now, that they're a majority, Metrolinx might feels that they can proceed according to their plan

Now that the Liberals have a majority, they can implement the will of the Liberals based on what the Liberals want, instead of the will of the Liberals based on what the Liberals need in order to get the majority of votes in the Legislature.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

There was considerable objection from local citizens on this issue IIRC, so it's not 'councillors hijacking the line'.

That's Metrolinx listening to input from local consultation, and I fail to see how it will be major impediment from the Crosstown's overall operation. I don't think they would have gone ahead with accepting it if it was a truly bad idea.

What local citizens? The people of Leaside will never, ever use this stop.

 

[Rainforest]

That's Metrolinx listening to input from local consultation, and I fail to see how it will be major impediment from the Crosstown's overall operation. I don't think they would have gone ahead with accepting it if it was a truly bad idea.

The Leslie stop, by itself, is not an impediment.

The problem is that in order to preserve the Leslie stop, they reverted to the middle-of-the road alignment between the Laird portal and the Don Mills portal.

And that precludes running more frequent service between Yonge and Don Mills, where the demand should be much higher than east of Don Mills.

 

[Rainforest]

Technically, it is still possible to select the third option: above-ground, south of the road alignment between the Laird and Don Mills portal. It will cost some extra money (likely, new bridge over West Don). But other than that, all wins: higher frequency will be feasible; Leslie stop will be preserved for whoever wants it; investment in the launch shaft construction will not be wasted.

Unfortunately, I doubt that Metrolinx will reopen the issue, due to political and administrative hurdles. They will stick to the current plan, which is good in general but suboptimal in certain details.

 

[andrewpmk]

Technically, it is still possible to select the third option: above-ground, south of the road alignment between the Laird and Don Mills portal. It will cost some extra money (likely, new bridge over West Don). But other than that, all wins: higher frequency will be feasible; Leslie stop will be preserved for whoever wants it; investment in the launch shaft construction will not be wasted.

Unfortunately, I doubt that Metrolinx will reopen the issue, due to political and administrative hurdles. They will stick to the current plan, which is good in general but suboptimal in certain details.

The LRT is bound to get overcrowded once it opens, probably much more so west of Don Mills Road. At some point I think that the area around Leslie/Eglinton will have to be rebuilt to fix this problem. Some sort of grade separated interchange would work best.