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crs1026
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^The reduction in the number of orange pylons on Eglinton is impressive.
Hopefully the folks along Eglinton will get their street back soon.
- Paul
Hopefully the folks along Eglinton will get their street back soon.
- Paul
drum118
Superstar
June 16
The westbound curb lane and sidewalk being built between Black Creek and Weston Rd on Eglinton. Looks like the westbound Weston Rd connection will be wider and a longer crossing for pedestrians. Traffic was real backup going east and westbound was a bitch at Black Creek with the left turning lane being the only lane open.
Turning lane for eastbound at Black Creek and sidewalk torn up to be rebuilt. I guess the final connection to NO Frills driveway and Eglinton can finally be completed after a year wait.
Handrail still missing for all of the guideway as well at the portal.
The removal of pylons east of Black Creek has allow traffic to flow better as well becoming a race track
As a note to Keelesdale Station, I counted 5 mid landings for the stair for the south east corner and became too dark to say if there are more of then. One hell of a climb. It deeper than the main entrance unless the main entrance is not telling the whole story.
The westbound curb lane and sidewalk being built between Black Creek and Weston Rd on Eglinton. Looks like the westbound Weston Rd connection will be wider and a longer crossing for pedestrians. Traffic was real backup going east and westbound was a bitch at Black Creek with the left turning lane being the only lane open.
Turning lane for eastbound at Black Creek and sidewalk torn up to be rebuilt. I guess the final connection to NO Frills driveway and Eglinton can finally be completed after a year wait.
Handrail still missing for all of the guideway as well at the portal.
The removal of pylons east of Black Creek has allow traffic to flow better as well becoming a race track
As a note to Keelesdale Station, I counted 5 mid landings for the stair for the south east corner and became too dark to say if there are more of then. One hell of a climb. It deeper than the main entrance unless the main entrance is not telling the whole story.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Allandale25
Senior Member
ARG1
Senior Member
> Accessibility best-practice suggests that all messaging should be in mixed-case lettering. Mixed-case makes it easier to tell different characters apart, particularly for those with low vision.
Wait what?
idk about you guys but I always found mixed case harder to read especially on signage. Also mixed case looks really weird and awkward when placed on a banner especially on an entranceway.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
This is so incredibly stupid. As if riders are supposed to differentiate a "side view" LRV from the "front view".
This should be a massive red flag. I hope this is not indicative of a general inflexibility to change due to the Crosstown's management structure.
Yea, the "Line 5" iconography will appear everywhere but the exterior of the station, where we're stuck with the illegible "LRV" iconography.
drum118
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adHominem
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Designers usually reach for mixed-case on signage – research has shown it to be more legible, possibly because lower-case letterforms are much more varied – the ascenders and descenders mean that from afar (or in low light, or for people with low vision), words have distinctive shapes, as opposed to using all upper-case, where words are all just rectangles. (There's some research that suggests that word-shapes are recognized before letter-shapes, which is kind of neat. For example, in the screenshot in TheTigerMaster's post above, the text is blurry, but I can still tell that the signage in the rendering says "Eglinton Avenue West" from the shape of the words.)
Of course, using all upper-case, the letters are larger, and bigger type is more legible from a distance, but that can be offset to a degree by using a typeface with a larger x-height and counters (which was the reasoning behind the creation of Clearview for highway signs).
ViveleCanada
Active Member
The reason the "Line 5" bullet doesn't appear on station exteriors is because, from Metrolinx's wayfinding standards, the approaches or entrances to stations are to only denote the mode of transports available at the station. This is a breakdown from their standards pdf on how passengers are to follow the signage:
I see the logic in it as this looks like a copy and paste of London's wayfinding standards. However, I agree that the transport modes iconography seem difficult to distinguish from a distance unlike TfL's roundel which are distinguishable through their colours.
crs1026
Superstar
^I have yet to see a Crosstown render showing the TTC logo.... but I'm glad to hear ML confirming that it will be included in the signage.
- Paul
- Paul
11th
Senior Member
What I get from guide, the illegible LRV icon is for streetcars. Line 5 is using the front facing icon (and eventually switched over to the LRT/subway icon) that we should already recognize.
That however will re-open the topic of whether Line 6 is considered rapid transit. It seems misleading if it also uses the "LRT/subway" icon.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
This doesn’t make a ton of sense to me at all. Riders care about where the lines are taking them. The type of vehicles used to transport them is almost immaterial. I don’t care if it’s an LRV or helicopter transporting me, as long as it gets me to where I’m going
Under this system, commuters entering Don Mills Station will only know this is a bus/streetcar/LRT/subway station. Where this station will actually take you is unknowable until you’re inside the station complex.
Further, this appears to not take into account that there are dozens of entrances to stations across the region that might only provide access to a subset of the lines servicing any given station.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
I really don’t understand why Metrolinx thinks it’s necessary to complicate things by imposing a second totally different wayfinding standard on the city that has nothing to do with the existing standard. The TTC already has a brand new wayfinding standard which by all accounts is working well for customers. Complaints I’ve seen about the TTC’s wayfinding has more to do with the inconsistency of its application (a lot of the legacy signage still remains), rather than problems with the design standard itself.
Now customers have to deal with Metrolinx’s poorly designed wayfinding system, on top of the legacy TTC system and the new TTC system. What a mess.
Coolstar
Senior Member
I don't understand why we're reinventing the wheel here. We had an excellent new wayfinding standard already done by the TTC. All those years developing the standard put to waste. The only thing that made sense from that article is replacing the TTCs CLRV streetcar logo with a new one which actually makes sense since the CLRVs were retired back in 2019. The ARTM in Montreal has done a far better job at this.
www.artm.quebec
Signalétique métropolitaine
Pour la première fois de son histoire, la région métropolitaine de Montréal se dote d'une signalétique intégrée et cohérente.
www.artm.quebec
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