Coolstar
Senior Member
No offense but I really hate the way the surface stops are designed! Half of it isn't fully covered. At least ION has fully cover sections. The surface stops look more like 510 Spadina streetcar stops
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Leo_Chan
Senior Member
Isn't that because ION will be operating with single cars on opening with the platforms (but not shelters yet) built for 2 cars? On the other hand, Eglinton will be operating with 2 cars with platforms and shelters built for 3? So they basically cheapened out on the shelters to cover specific sections of the 3-car platform while Waterloo built a complete shelter for 1 car. I'm not saying that this is acceptable, just that this may be the reasoning for it.
Coolstar
Senior Member
The shelters look a lot smaller than the length of the vehicles.
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
I know. I estimate that the shelters will only cover 2 doors of each car, which mean 3/5 of the platform won’t be covered. To be honest, I doubt the shelters were designed with the trains in mind to line up with the doors.
Steve X
Senior Member
It would been nice if they have a heated shelter at every station. Being half cover has it's advantage. They are designed to make the stations more open without blocking the line of sight. It allows drivers to see oncoming vehicles easier and avoid any hidden spots on the platform where crimes easily occur.
In comparison to other systems like GO Trains and other LRT systems across the continent, it's standard they don't cover the entire platform. Look at Calgary, once outside the core, those stations look like GO train platforms with a few bus shelters. I'm not saying that's good but this is typical.
Coolstar
Senior Member
Just heard that there will be a demonstration of the light rail vehicles today!
Coolstar
Senior Member
Unfortunately it's been cancelled due to power issues there looks like we have to wait next week
Johnny Au
Superstar
I find it funny that the sign for the Eglinton Maintenance and Storage Facility has the MBTA logo on it.
robmausser
Senior Member
Honestly all I want are inductive heaters for the surface stops. They do wonders in other transit systems.
crs1026
Superstar
^More roof area may matter in bad weather. If everyone huddles under the wee bits of shelter, when a trainset arrives, there will be crowding at a few doors and no one boarding at others, The result will be longer dwell time.
The roof should be long enough that people aren’t bunched on the platform.
- Paul
The roof should be long enough that people aren’t bunched on the platform.
- Paul
nfitz
Superstar
robmausser
Senior Member
Honestly the largest contributor to dwell times I have seen on the new streetcars is by far how ungodly slow the doors are to open and close. Its unreal. What an engineering fail.
This seems to be a systemwide issue. The subway doors take forever to open/close on the new TR rockets, the new fare gates take forever to open and close. Something about modern systems/actuators that are making doors a nightmare in modern systems.
Streety McCarface
Senior Member
I'm not sure we should want Montreal metro-like speeds for opening the doors, but at the same time, I cannot disagree with you. What is interesting though is that the TRs used to be a lot worse. I'm not sure why bombardier's door times seem to be slightly longer than other city's (with the exception of New York, where the guard has to close the doors in parts on most lines).
I'm curious as to the actual time between opening doors and closing them, and wonder how it's affecting service. Theoretically, it isn't as bad as it was because lines 1 & 4 are all TRs while Line 2 is all T1s, so it's likely that the difference in dwell times aren't affecting services on the subway, but I can guarantee it's a bigger issue for the streetcars (especially since they take even longer to open and close).
I'm not entirely sure what's causing it, but my best assumption would be differences in the train's software, and the increased level of safety implemented. If it really is a huge issue and it is software related, I'm sure the engineers at bombardier can fix the issue if enough people complain.
Richard White
Senior Member
This is the one thing I miss about the H series cars. The H2 and the H4 cars would leave a bruise if not break a rib should you be caught in the closing doors. They were a virtual guillotine.
Those doors were deadly and I doubt the TTC wants that to happen again.
robmausser
Senior Member
I dunno, the door rushers that delay the line by forcing the doors open might reconsider next time