Toronto Eglinton Line 5 Crosstown West Extension | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx

robmausser said:
Right... but I was saying WITH the transitway added. Why would you ignore that and then compare other lines to the eglinton east/west line and say its shorter than that.

That would be like me talking to the worlds tallest man and being like "yeah but at 12 years old you were only 6 feet tall and there are taller people than that" ...
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Ah I must've misread that.
 
Will the designers include a rough-in for a future Jane LRT intersection at Jane Street & Eglinton Avenue West? So that light rail trains to and from the Jane LRT can use the Mt. Dennis Maintenance & Storage Facility?
 
robmausser said:
Like Tram-Trains?

Or you just mean the routes and spacing are more indicative of commuter style rail
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Subway-like high order LRT. Basically a cheap subway.

Fast, 100% at grade crossing priority (railway arms) that causes a lot of congestion, terrible pedestrian access stations, usually built beside railway or highway corridors, commuter style for carrying riders from suburb to core (may contain a parking lot in the burbs to encourage use), wide spacing in the suburbs.
 
W. K. Lis said:
Will the designers include a rough-in for a future Jane LRT intersection at Jane Street & Eglinton Avenue West? So that light rail trains to and from the Jane LRT can use the Mt. Dennis Maintenance & Storage Facility?
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It honestly depends. If both lines are at-grade, then maybe, but the plans have always said that the Jane LRT would use the Finch EMSF only (just west of jane). Also, the jane lrt will probably use Alstom cars from now on following other projects, can someone confirm if an Alstom train can run on bombardier tracks?
 
H4F33Z said:
It honestly depends. If both lines are at-grade, then maybe, but the plans have always said that the Jane LRT would use the Finch EMSF only (just west of jane). Also, the jane lrt will probably use Alstom cars from now on following other projects, can someone confirm if an Alstom train can run on bombardier tracks?
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Assuming the signalling hardware is the same on both lines, they should work. Same gauge, distance from platform, etc. Remember that the Citadis Spirits currently ordered are also serving as a contingency for a late Flexity delivery.
 
H4F33Z said:
It honestly depends. If both lines are at-grade, then maybe, but the plans have always said that the Jane LRT would use the Finch EMSF only (just west of jane). Also, the jane lrt will probably use Alstom cars from now on following other projects, can someone confirm if an Alstom train can run on bombardier tracks?
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Vehicle manufacturer doesn't matter if both vehicles/lines use the same signaling system or use compatible ones that can communicate with each other. Crossrail, for example, uses 3 different signaling systems in different segments of the route. (which has caused a lot of software delays, but I degrees)
It's not uncommon in Europe to have different equipment interesect.
 
H4F33Z said:
It honestly depends. If both lines are at-grade, then maybe, but the plans have always said that the Jane LRT would use the Finch EMSF only (just west of jane). Also, the jane lrt will probably use Alstom cars from now on following other projects, can someone confirm if an Alstom train can run on bombardier tracks?
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There is no such thing as Bombardier tracks. You can tow the thing on any standard gauge railway if you want. Whether it is allowed or not is based on the law, not a physical constraint.

It has been mention above that it needs a signalling system to operate in ATO/CBTC mode but they could operate "blinded" in tunnels if they want. They would need some sort of train protection like trip arms or power off to stop unwanted LRVs. Similarly any LRVs can run on straight TTC streetcar tracks if are gauged for them. They might derail on tight curves. Modern LRT tracks have similar minimal turning radius to allow different manufactures to design LRVs for them.

Physically they should be able to store the longer Citadis at the Mount Dennis EMSF but would need the ATO equipment installed to allow it to move safely and automatically around the yard. Otherwise they would need to be driven manually which may not be allowed. They could return to Finch EMSF for maintenance.
 
Another botched transit line for Toronto. Billions spent needlessly putting it underground through a huge right of way with practically nothing in it. Even in the areas where the ROW was foolishly sold off for townhouses there's enough room in the ROW to fit an LRT. Some combination of at grade, trenched and elevated would have been just as effective for a fraction of the cost. So much for fiscal responsibility.
 
H4F33Z said:
Are there any plans in the long term to convert the Mississauga Transitway to Square One from BRT to LRT and rebrand it as line 5? Is it feasible?
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I would like to see this happen sooner rather than later. There would then be 3 routes that would run on the Eglinton corridor:

1) Square One to Malvern
2) Square One to Pearson (direct rail connection between the two would be a huge boost). This could even be combined into the Finch West LRT to make it Square One to Finch West Station.
3) Pearson to Kennedy
 
While possible, I don't think it's desirable. The thing with the transitway is that it allows a wide range of bus routes travelling across the region to operate on it. Introducing a fixed transit service would either force transfers on either end, increasing travel times, or force the buses back onto the 400 series highway networks.
 
MisterF said:
Another botched transit line for Toronto. Billions spent needlessly putting it underground through a huge right of way with practically nothing in it. Even in the areas where the ROW was foolishly sold off for townhouses there's enough room in the ROW to fit an LRT. Some combination of at grade, trenched and elevated would have been just as effective for a fraction of the cost. So much for fiscal responsibility.
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Im not even THAT upset about the portion underground until Martin Grove.

But the section from Martin Grove to Renforth? Are you kidding me? There is literally nothing there. It makes 0 sense to be underground.
 
innsertnamehere said:
While possible, I don't think it's desirable. The thing with the transitway is that it allows a wide range of bus routes travelling across the region to operate on it. Introducing a fixed transit service would either force transfers on either end, increasing travel times, or force the buses back onto the 400 series highway networks.
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If done properly you could technically have the LRTs run with buses like in a mixed-traffic situation, albeit just with transit vehicles.

It would mean that the system could not be driverless however.

That being said, the LRT would replace a lot of the buses that go the whole route of the Transitway. You wouldnt be pushing those buses back onto the 403... they simply wouldnt exist anymore.

A GO/city bus from the west would just terminate at Winston Churchill and youd transfer to the LRT.
 
robmausser said:
If done properly you could technically have the LRTs run with buses like in a mixed-traffic situation, albeit just with transit vehicles.

It would mean that the system could not be driverless however.

That being said, the LRT would replace a lot of the buses that go the whole route of the Transitway. You wouldnt be pushing those buses back onto the 403... they simply wouldnt exist anymore.

A GO/city bus from the west would just terminate at Winston Churchill and youd transfer to the LRT.
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buses like the Hamilton-Pearson bus would be re-directed. And that's just today, as the region grows the amount of routes and frequencies of buses would only increase.
 
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