Toronto Crosstown LRT | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[Palma]

That can get expensive.

http://business.financialpost.com/n...eful-tube-project-nothing-short-of-a-disaster

To paraphrase from above....

In 2011 Bombardier’s transportation division awarded a contract to London UK's signalling system. Bombardier's bid said would complete it by 2018 for 354 million pounds. Once Bombardier's screw ups were apparent, the was cancelled in 2013, costing the city 85 million pounds, or 25% of the contract cost. The contract was then awarded to Thales SA, but will five years late and cost 886 million pounds more than originally planned!

The moral of the story? Don't be blinded by a low ball bid from Bombardier, instead choose the better supplier at the onset, thus avoiding most delays and cost overruns, and pay a fair price at the beginning.

and why agree to paying 25% to cancel? stupidity

 

[Admiral Beez]

Just a slight quibble - T1 were also by BBD.

AoD

Well said, I missed that one.

As the order was placed before/during the 1992 changeover, perhaps Bombardier's culture of failure hadn't set in yet?

 

[nfitz]

As the order was placed before/during the 1992 changeover, perhaps Bombardier's culture of failure hadn't set in yet?

And yet there aren't major delays with either the TR or the GO cars assembled in Thunder Bay, with parts from Quebec. Surely, it's not a Thunder Bay issue, but a Mexico issue?

 

[JayBeeGooner]

And yet there aren't major delays with either the TR or the GO cars assembled in Thunder Bay, with parts from Quebec. Surely, it's not a Thunder Bay issue, but a Mexico issue?

We can safely say Bombardier wanted to save on costs by manufacturing parts in Mexico and it backfired big time.

 

[crs1026]

Eglinton Station bus terminal this afternoon

Maybe there is an "UP" button on the operator's panel, and the sucker just bursts up from under the pavement and stops: "Ta-da......"

No?

- Paul

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Maybe there is an "UP" button on the operator's panel, and the sucker just bursts up from under the pavement and stops: "Ta-da......"

No?

- Paul

I'd pay a decent bit of money to watch that show

 

[rbt]

We can safely say Bombardier wanted to save on costs by manufacturing parts in Mexico and it backfired big time.

That's probably true.

We also know the new part owner of the transportation division (Caisse) who brought in the new Transportation Division president has a mandate of moving work to Quebec. Scaling up Quebec production was inevitable for future projects even if Mexico was firing on all cylinders for this project.

 

[someMidTowner]

Several posts back there was some uncertainty as to the current status of the old bus terminal. Stopped by this morning for a look

 

[cplchanb]

Nice....so all they did for over month since they announced on their site:http://www.thecrosstown.ca/news-media/whats-new/demolition-work-for-future-eglinton-station-0
was park a few sea containers and a trailer...Even if they can blame the unseasonably cold weather for not digging at least they can tear down the structures. I'm pretty sure you dont need 15C weather to do that..... Now I'm beginning to understand why its going to take until 2021....this is a clear example of the inefficiencies in their construction scheduling.
Either that or theres a serious disconnect between them and PR. Either way... we're still on the hook to pay for a trailer sittting in an empty lot with no activity/progress going on.

Whoever is responsible for making everyone who relies on crosstown.ca believe that progress is being made whether its PR or the construction manager really ought to be disciplined/fired, but thats not going to happen.....unions/govt contracts....

 

[Admiral Beez]

We can safely say Bombardier wanted to save on costs by manufacturing parts in Mexico and it backfired big time.

Shame on the TTC for not requiring production at proven plants. When the federal government orders warships, they require all production in Canada. The GTA's combined outstanding orders with Bombardier are equal to the warships contracts in size.

 

[someMidTowner]

Shame on the TTC for not requiring production at proven plants. When the federal government orders warships, they require all production in Canada. The GTA's combined outstanding orders with Bombardier are equal to the warships contracts in size.

That's most likely for national security reasons, and has nothing to do with contract size.

 

[W. K. Lis]

I'd pay a decent bit of money to watch that show

Too bad it will be s-l-o-w.

Not fast like this:

 

[Steve X]

Shame on the TTC for not requiring production at proven plants. When the federal government orders warships, they require all production in Canada. The GTA's combined outstanding orders with Bombardier are equal to the warships contracts in size.

You do remember the Feds said FU to Toronto/David Miller when they tried to get the feds to fund these streetcars. What you're suggesting is to jack up the prices of the bid so TTC can't even afford the streetcars. We would have gotten zero streetcars if they requested 100% Canadian content. The military is different, they don't want their secrets leaking out of the country.

A lot of people here has been suggested that TTC should have gone with an more expensive option but in 2009 TO was poor as ****. The contract wouldn't have gone through if the city decided not to take on more loans.

 

[rbt]

A lot of people here has been suggested that TTC should have gone with an more expensive option but in 2009 TO was poor as ****. The contract wouldn't have gone through if the city decided not to take on more loans.

And a valid and winnable lawsuit from Bombardier if the city failed to follow bidding rules and went with the higher bidder. Also, Miller was elected largely because of the MFP scandal which was caused almost entirely by not following the cities tendering practices.

 

[Palma]

And a valid and winnable lawsuit from Bombardier if the city failed to follow bidding rules and went with the higher bidder. Also, Miller was elected largely because of the MFP scandal which was caused almost entirely by not following the cities tendering practices.

are you saying that the lowest bid needs to get the tender otherwise the lowest bidder can sue? If the city felt the higher bid was more reflective of the true cost and selected that how could Bombardier sue? When a tender is put together there are many requirements written into a tender prior to companies bidding. Price is not the only thing.