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[BurlOak]

From the existing EA report, you are correct. They'll need a new EA, or an update to the EA, to build any kind of additional station box for any kind of future DRL/Don Mills whatever.

The existing EA for Eglinton Crosstown shows a "Don Mills LRT" on the surface. Haven't seen any update. Therefore, if the existing plans say...

That's the only drawing I have seen as well.

I can't recall whether they have issued the contract for this Don Mills Station yet. If they have, they are idiots. Either they will pay a huge change order for adding the second lower platform, or they will let the Contractor finish and pay a huge amount extra to dig up the area again in 5 or 10 years.

 

[nfitz]

Miller was obsessed with using LRT for absolutely everything, so of course Don Mills was LRT.

Can we take the needless prejudicial statements out of the discussion? Particularly those not based in fact. More km of subway extensions were approved under Miller than any mayor since Crombie, and also started the studies for the DRL - which always envisioned the possibility of Don Mills being subway as far north as Eglinton.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Reviewing the Yonge-Eglinton Station designs from back in December 2013, from this link, I'm listing some interesting points of interest.

• A 70 metre shift north to the existing subway platform
• Excavation at Yonge-Eglinton to start early 2016
• Station construction to start spring 2017
• approximately 50 weekend subway closures over a period of approximately two years, starting July 2016
• LRT and mezzanine levels (two levels) to go under subway level

And from this link, this illustration of the Yonge-Eglinton interchange.

With a possible 50 weekend subway closures at Yonge-Eglinton, does show that the powers-that-be should include a station box at Don Mills-Eglinton, even in a rough state. Use it for storage, until needed.

 

[Kitsune]

There goes the last Vitrolite tiles

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

There goes the last Vitrolite tiles

Vitrolite titles vs. poorly designed interchange hell like Yonge-Bloor. The choice is easy.

AoD

 

[TheTigerMaster]

There goes the last Vitrolite tiles

Are the Vitrolite tiles in Eglinton the original tiles from 1954, or have they been replaced since then?

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Reviewing the Yonge-Eglinton Station designs from back in December 2013, from this link, I'm listing some interesting points of interest.

• A 70 metre shift north to the existing subway platform
• Excavation at Yonge-Eglinton to start early 2016
• Station construction to start spring 2017
• approximately 50 weekend subway closures over a period of approximately two years, starting July 2016
• LRT and mezzanine levels (two levels) to go under subway level

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And from this link, this illustration of the Yonge-Eglinton interchange.

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With a possible 50 weekend subway closures at Yonge-Eglinton, does show that the powers-that-be should include a station box at Don Mills-Eglinton, even in a rough state. Use it for storage, until needed.

Due to this closure, a lot of 32 Eglinton West riders will divert to Eglinton West station on Spadina Line, rather than Eglinton Station on Yonge Line. Hopefully Eglinton Avenue West at Allen Road will be fully opened by then, so that the 32 Eglinton busses can get into Eglinton West station easily. Currently, there are long queues outside of Eglinton West because of the construction.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Due to this closure, a lot of 32 Eglinton West riders will divert to Eglinton West station on Spadina Line, rather than Eglinton Station on Yonge Line. Hopefully Eglinton Avenue West at Allen Road will be fully opened by then, so that the 32 Eglinton busses can get into Eglinton West station easily. Currently, there are long queues outside of Eglinton West because of the construction.

The current Eglinton Station has 10 bus routes serving it. Can't see all of them diverting to Eglinton West.

• 
  5 AVENUE RD
• 
  32 EGLINTON WEST
• 
  34 EGLINTON EAST
• 
  51 LESLIE
• 
  54 LAWRENCE EAST
• 
  56 LEASIDE
• 
  61 AVENUE RD NORTH
• 
  97 YONGE (Transfer to bus on street)
• 
  100 FLEMINGDON PARK
• 
  103 MT PLEASANT NORTH

 

[nfitz]

Vitrolite titles vs. poorly designed interchange hell like Yonge-Bloor. The choice is easy.

While the current design is currently an improvement, I'm not convinced designing the interchange with a single centre platform on each lines is optimum. I know that space along Yonge is at a premium, but I'm surprised they can't find a way to stagger the platforms, so that (for example) one platform is entirely north of Eglinton and the other entirely south. Though maybe that would be equally as bad for passenger flow - though wouldn't result in the same platform crowding.

 

[W. K. Lis]

They should design the interchange stations at Don Mills-Eglinton NOW to better handle the transferring of passengers than what they do now.

Take a look at how Montreal handles transfer stations, at this link.

 

[nfitz]

I love that Montreal example. I used to use that station when it opened almost 35 years ago. The "future west island extension" seems just as much fantasy as it was then. Meanwhile most people arriving on the Blue line at Snowdown have to go to the not that conveniently located staircase, to change to downtown - and vice-versa. The concept is fine, but Lionel-Groulx is a better example. But really, St. George (and Bay before we closed the lower platform) are pretty good implementations as well. Yonge/Bloor would work better if the platforms were centred, and there was two platforms on each line.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Difficult to do unless your station is sited in such a way that allow trains from both lines will be going in parallel close to the station area. Not sure how that can be done in this case given the area in question.

AoD

 

[TheTigerMaster]

The current Eglinton Station has 10 bus routes serving it. Can't see all of them diverting to Eglinton West.

• 
  5 AVENUE RD
• 
  32 EGLINTON WEST
• 
  34 EGLINTON EAST
• 
  51 LESLIE
• 
  54 LAWRENCE EAST
• 
  56 LEASIDE
• 
  61 AVENUE RD NORTH
• 
  97 YONGE (Transfer to bus on street)
• 
  100 FLEMINGDON PARK
• 
  103 MT PLEASANT NORTH

Definitely not. The only two routes running west of Eglinton Station are 32 Eglinton Wet and 5 Avenue Road. However, the 32 is a very heavily used route and I'm sure a lot of those riders whose trips originate between Yonge and Allen will be diverting to Eglinton West. For these customers, it would be nice if Eglinton West Station was back to normal before Eglinton Station shuts down.

If Metrolinx can't to that, an acceptable solution would be to have the 32 Eglinton West divert south to Davisville Station via Duplex Avenue and Chaplin Crescent. Duplex Avenue is immediately adjacent to Eglinton Station, so this would allow 32 Eglinton West and 5 Avenue RD customers a direct transfer to the Eglinton East busses, while marinating a direct connection to Line 1 for the 32 and 5 customers who need that transfer.

 

[nfitz]

Difficult to do unless your station is sited in such a way that allow trains from both lines will be going in parallel close to the station area. Not sure how that can be done in this case given the area in question.

It's pretty easy. You deflect each line by 45 degrees, so that the station is on an angle to both Don Mills and Eglinton. With all the parking lots and empty land at that intersection, it's not difficult. Might even help deflect the Don Mills line, to the obvious place for a station north of Eglinton - Wynford and Concord.

 

[W. K. Lis]

It's pretty easy. You deflect each line by 45 degrees, so that the station is on an angle to both Don Mills and Eglinton. With all the parking lots and empty land at that intersection, it's not difficult. Might even help deflect the Don Mills line, to the obvious place for a station north of Eglinton - Wynford and Concord.

Just look at all the asphalt deserts around the Don Mills-Eglinton stations site, being used a parking lots at present.

Especially, the southeast corner used by the Science Centre provides plenty of space. A diagonal alignment of the Eglinton Crosstown LRT, with provision for any kind of Don Mills/DRL/whatever line using extreme measurements for any kind of equipment to could use that line, is better now. Afterwards, infill buildings or expansions will make putting a transfer station will be more difficult.