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Toronto Crosstown LRT | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

Well, if we look at how the study broke things down, they say Metrolinx spends about 17.9% of the budget on stations, so out of the 7 billion for the crosstown, that would be 1.25 billion. There's 15 underground stations in phase one, so assuming about 80% of the station costs is the underground part, that would work out to about 66 million per station, which actually is quite a bargain, compared to say the 134 million HIghway 407 station


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Also, in what is probably a surprise to no-one, they spend almost as much on consultants as the stations themselves :|
 
Question concerning the simulated testing: is that meant to simulate full, 7 days a week service? (I.E. if one was to be found along Eglinton Avenue post-March 30, would it be reasonable to expect to see trains running past at all times of the day?)

That's what both Ottawa and Montreal did for theirs, so I would think so.
 
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Well, if we look at how the study broke things down, they say Metrolinx spends about 17.9% of the budget on stations, so out of the 7 billion for the crosstown, that would be 1.25 billion. There's 15 underground stations in phase one, so assuming about 80% of the station costs is the underground part, that would work out to about 66 million per station, which actually is quite a bargain, compared to say the 134 million HIghway 407 station


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66 million per station feels way too low.
I mean we're spending almost a billion dollars on expanding bloor-yonge, so sub 100mil for a station seems a bit of a stretch.
 
66 million per station feels way too low.
I mean we're spending almost a billion dollars on expanding bloor-yonge, so sub 100mil for a station seems a bit of a stretch.
Bloor-yonge is quite complex. its not like you can jut dig down and build a new station.
 
66 million per station feels way too low.
I mean we're spending almost a billion dollars on expanding bloor-yonge, so sub 100mil for a station seems a bit of a stretch.

Not necessarily, if memory serves Ottawa's stations were below 40 million for the underground ones, and it was built in the same time period, the entire tunnel itself and stations cost around 500 million
 
In comparison, high-cost jurisdictions like New York and Toronto consider cost estimates to be akin to trade secrets, citing their commercial sensitivity to prevent public disclosure.⁵¹ In fact, Ontario explicitly “preserve the confidentiality of… construction costestimate,” including “risks, costs, … schedule,… unit prices, and bid prices” as part of its“information sensitivity” guidelines, according to the provincial Ministry of Transportation.⁵²


However, low-cost jurisdictions have shown that the opposite is necessary: publicly available cost benchmarks released regularly by governments in Turkey and Italy, for example, have proven to be important for the symmetry of knowledge between clients and contractors, stabilizing market bids.⁵³ In addition, transparent unit costs allow agencies to gain in-depth knowledge of costs and manage changeorders effectively.⁵⁴ The literature indicates that transparent delivery processes are critical to reducingrisk and ensuring lower costs – and important for building institutional knowledge and garnering public support.⁵⁵


Why it's so hard to find this info, from the study
 
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According to wikipedia, $80-100 million per station is about right. Who knows if the figures are accurate though.
That math still works out, since they are using the 9.1 billion figure, not the earlier 7 billion. Then using that same formula as before we're at $86M per station. However, if the current estimates that they've spent 12.8 billion is true, then we're at $122M per station
 
That math still works out, since they are using the 9.1 billion figure, not the earlier 7 billion. Then using that same formula as before we're at $86M per station. However, if the current estimates that they've spent 12.8 billion is true, then we're at $122M per station
no that 12 billion figure is for operations and maintenance

Note that people claim the corsstown is over budget is not entirely true. The only extra money that the builders have gotten was through lawsuits.
They didnt get any more money outside of that.

Fixed price contracts are fixed price contracts
 
Question concerning the simulated testing: is that meant to simulate full, 7 days a week service? (I.E. if one was to be found along Eglinton Avenue post-March 30, would it be reasonable to expect to see trains running past at all times of the day?)
The service starting on March 30th will be identical to the service that we will ride when the line opens for regular service later this year. This includes headways, how trains will enter and exit service, crew breaks, etc.

Dan
 
This post is really worth seeing here:
Looks like they are starting to change the name of the station.
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It's been said here Don Valley will become the new name:
Some neat maps from within Chaplin Station were posted on Reddit.
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I would've preferred Seton Park:
The park runs behind the former Science Centre buildings. There's also a Seton Park Road, that intersects with Ferrand Drive twice on the SE corner.

Failing this, Don Mills on Line 4 should've been renamed Fairview, and Science Centre should've been Don Mills.

I would've accepted Don Valley North, just because Don Valley would be more appropriate around the Line 2/P.E. Viaduct.

They better use the same standard for the new signage as Line 6 uses... but I'm not holding my breath...

They'll have to replace/cover all the wall panels:
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Hopefully, the have enough foresight to include (covered-up) Line 3 signage.

As for maps at other station/stops, I'm expecting DYMO LabelWriter-stickers, similar to the Line 1 Downsview extension in the '90s.
 
Failing this, Don Mills on Line 4 should've been renamed Fairview, and Science Centre should've been Don Mills.
I don't think Science Centre should or will be renamed to Don Mills as that name would be better used for a stop at Don Mills and Lawrence on a future northern extension of the OL. Don Mills and Lawrence is actually the centre of the long forgotten Village of Don Mills while Don Mills & Eglinton isn't. I think Don Valley is a good enough name for Science Centre (baring some better more local alternative). Hold onto the Don Mills name for an OL to Sheppard and then give it to the stop at Lawrence and rename the stop at Sheppard to Fairview like you said.
 

Eglinton Crosstown LRT finally has an opening date, according to sources​

Anonymous sources have confirmed to the Star the opening date for the long-delayed Eglinton Crosstown LRT.

From https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/eglinton-crosstown-lrt-finally-has-an-opening-date-according-to-sources/article_8e0e844a-f52b-11ef-bd76-3383ae9e992a.html
After 13 years, sources close to the Eglinton Crosstown LRT project say the long-awaited line is finally expected to welcome transit riders in September.

The two sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the LRT, confirmed to the Star that the Eglinton Crosstown is expected to open in September 2025.

Both sources, however, also acknowledged the litany of previous promised — and missed — deadlines throughout the $12.6-billion LRT’s eventful history.

“It wouldn’t shock me if there’s an eleventh-hour problem,” one source said, not because of any known issues, but because of a lack of transparency from Metrolinx on how construction and testing has progressed, even with the TTC, which will take over operations on the line.

The highly anticipated Line 5, which has been under construction for more than a decade, has been “ready to go for a while,” one source explained, but Metrolinx, the provincial transit agency overseeing the project, has been “terrified” of a repeat of the bungled rollout of the Ottawa LRT. Any breakdowns on the Eglinton line after years of construction would be “catastrophically embarrassing,” the source said.

The $2.1-billion Ottawa LRT, much like the Eglinton line, was plagued with delays and flaws. Problems with the project included a massive sinkhole during construction, and after the line opened, repeated derailments and even service shutdowns caused by freezing rain. ACS Infrastructure Canada and EllisDon were part of both the Ottawa and Eglinton LRT construction consortiums.

One source explained the anticipated timeline for delivery of the Eglinton light-rail line, with Crosslinx Transit Solution, the private construction consortium that built the LRT, expected to complete construction in June 2025. The line would then be handed over to the TTC to operate when it opens to the public in September.

In a March 6 earnings call for Aecon, a construction company that is part of Crosslinx, CEO Jean-Louis Servranckx confirmed that the Eglinton Crosstown LRT is expected to complete construction in “mid-year” 2025.

Disagreements and legal battles between Metrolinx and Crosslinx, as well as conflicts with the TTC, have plagued the construction of the Eglinton line.

However, one source said, all three parties have been “running out of things to fight over,” and, “by attrition,” all three parties are now working more co-operatively toward the opening of the line.

Though it appears to be closer than ever to completion, this isn’t the first time the beleaguered LRT line was slated to open.

With 25 stops stretching from Mount Dennis in the west to Kennedy in the east, the 19-kilometre, light-rail system was initially meant to be ready by 2020. A pandemic and several lawsuits, as well as software glitches, have hampered the line’s opening, even after the Star received an exclusive tour of the LRT in May 2023. The completion of the LRT had been promised then pushed back for three years until the transit agency declined to give a projected opening in 2023, instead announcing it would give the public a three-months’ advance notice instead.

Besides an update last November on a software design flaw that impacted the line’s signalling system, no other details have been provided on why the line has been delayed.

Documents obtained through a freedom-of-information request by the Star in April 2023 showed Metrolinx has at times wanted to give the public more information about the LRT, but the provincial government directed the transit agency not to. In August 2024, Premier Doug Ford’s office directed Metrolinx to keep the opening date of the LRT a secret because it had doubts the date would be met.

Re-elected with a majority government last month, Ford said on the campaign trail that he was “really, really confident” the Eglinton Crosstown LRT would open this year.

“I can’t give you an exact day or month, but (the Eglinton Crosstown LRT) will be open this year,” Ford said at a press conference in early February, while also touting his idea of tunnelling under the 401. “We’re going to train people to make sure it’s safe. That’s the number one priority.”

“Well, what I’m hearing from Metrolinx (is) everything’s up and going. I guess they are doing training right now on it,” Ford added.

In late November 2024, then-CEO of Metrolinx Phil Verster also provided an update on the Finch West LRT. He said Metrolinx had made “significant progress” on the line, which broke ground in 2018, and major construction was finished at all stations.

When it opens, the 10-kilometre light rail transit line will feature 18 stops, connecting Finch West Station to Humber College.

Metrolinx has also not provided a firm opening date for the Finch West LRT, which officials previously said was supposed to open last year.
 

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