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Coolstar
Senior Member
Eglinton Crosstown LRT - Events
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www.metrolinxengage.com
Amare
Senior Member
Typical City of Toronto planning: no imagination, never change the status quo.
It doesn't surprise me whatsoever, like I said before; it's completely up to Toronto Transportation Services as to whether there will be signal priority activated on the corridor or not. If we had a somewhat visionary mayor, he/she would easily force their hand to make them activate it. But seeing as we have Tory in charge, dont hold your breath on it.
1st step of cripping the LRT has now been almost officially achieved. The next step: having the TTC cripple service by implementing their asinine stop and proceed procedure at switches, and slowing trains to 10km/r at all signalized intersections.
It doesn't surprise me whatsoever, like I said before; it's completely up to Toronto Transportation Services as to whether there will be signal priority activated on the corridor or not. If we had a somewhat visionary mayor, he/she would easily force their hand to make them activate it. But seeing as we have Tory in charge, dont hold your breath on it.
1st step of cripping the LRT has now been almost officially achieved. The next step: having the TTC cripple service by implementing their asinine stop and proceed procedure at switches, and slowing trains to 10km/r at all signalized intersections.
Allandale25
Senior Member
I went on the Metrolinx engage site for a look around and something caught my eye on the surface section.
Eglinton Crosstown LRT - Events
View upcoming/past events related to the Eglinton Crosstown LRTwww.metrolinxengage.com
"In regards to transit signal priority along the surface portion, there will be limited signal priority permitted by the City of Toronto. The limited priority for the Eglinton Crosstown is an ability to call for an extended greens for the through movements going east/west where trains are running behind schedule.
However, in general, light rail vehicles will follow the road signals — stopping at reds, waiting for the advance turns to finish and then proceeding on green."
Turns out there's limited to no signal priority on the surface section.
Could they upgrade this in the future to give it more priority?
crs1026
Superstar
^I wonder how literally to take this description. It would be relatively complicated to evaluate vehicle by vehicle which are on schedule and which are not. And what is the threshold for "behind schedule"....ten seconds? Two minutes? Maybe the intent was simply to convey that priority is not granted to each and every vehicle, but the actual mechanics may have been glossed over.
To my non-technical mind, it would be simpler to grant or not grant priority based on a defined headway. If it has been more than x minutes since the last transit vehicle, grant priority to the next approaching vehicle. Then reset the clock. That way, there is no need to correlate any vehicle to a specific schedule.
By my count using Google Maps, there are 15 stoplights between the Brentcliffe portal and the Kennedy portal. Over that many intersections, priority signalling will make a considerable difference to velocity.
TTC's behaviour to date gives one little confidence that they will emphasise speed on this run. It will be much simpler to just pad headways to allow for traffic light delays. That would be a huge betrayal of Crosstown's potential. I sure hope that the various Transit influencers and media types rake Tory over the coals for letting this stand.
- Paul
To my non-technical mind, it would be simpler to grant or not grant priority based on a defined headway. If it has been more than x minutes since the last transit vehicle, grant priority to the next approaching vehicle. Then reset the clock. That way, there is no need to correlate any vehicle to a specific schedule.
By my count using Google Maps, there are 15 stoplights between the Brentcliffe portal and the Kennedy portal. Over that many intersections, priority signalling will make a considerable difference to velocity.
TTC's behaviour to date gives one little confidence that they will emphasise speed on this run. It will be much simpler to just pad headways to allow for traffic light delays. That would be a huge betrayal of Crosstown's potential. I sure hope that the various Transit influencers and media types rake Tory over the coals for letting this stand.
- Paul
Voltz
Senior Member
I'm irked also about the inadequate shelters on the surface stops, no reason why they could not cover the full length of the platform, and there seems to be no physical barriers put in place to help prevent a vehicle from going up onto the platform. Viva's stops have both of these.
Coolstar
Senior Member
But remember you're most likely not going to be waiting too long for the next train. Unlike Viva where headways are a little longer.
Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
Almost 300 trees are being cut down in a Toronto neighbourhood and residents aren't happy
Construction on the Crosstown LRT will stop for nothing — not a pandemic, and certainly not a ravine filled with trees. Over the past week, scores o…
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Thoughts?
I don't think this is as big of an issue as the article editorializes.
Amare
Senior Member
I'm really trying not to be a debby-downer here, but lets remember we have to account for delays that the TTC is all too notorious for. Try telling that to people who will be stuck waiting at these stops due to some kind of delay/service suspension.
Actually that brings up a really good point, I wonder how the TTC will be dealing with these kind of events once the LRT opens. They barely have the capacity to operate shuttles when any of the subway lines are screwed up, just imagine if both a subway line and the Crosstown line are down due to some kind of delay. I have no idea where they will be getting the buses to operate replacement service.
It's really not a big deal at all, just typical people looking for something to whine and complain about. If we gave them 2 options in a poll: keep your trees and have no transit built and be gridlocked in traffic, or remove the trees and have commute times cut significantly I think we know what they would choose. Dont mind them, they have nothing better to do.
hw621
Senior Member
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This effing city. 15 years & billions of dollars in the making and the Crosstown is only going to have "limited signal priority." <a href="https://t.co/30wWPkRnEQ">https://t.co/30wWPkRnEQ</a></p>— John Michael McGrath (@jm_mcgrath) <a href="
">April 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Something we fear the most...glorified streetcar
Something we fear the most...glorified streetcar
yin_yang
Active Member
so when is this due to open again? I forget.
2022 now?
2022 now?
Coolstar
Senior Member
2022 but even that doesn't look likely in my opinion.
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Voltz
Senior Member
Almost 300 trees are being cut down in a Toronto neighbourhood and residents aren't happy
Construction on the Crosstown LRT will stop for nothing — not a pandemic, and certainly not a ravine filled with trees. Over the past week, scores o…
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Thoughts?
I don't think this is as big of an issue as the article editorializes.
Non issue, but the line would have been in a tunnel here, all the way to Don Mills, not requiring tree removal, if not for the locals who fought against removing the stop at Leslie, a stop they would barely ever use.
salsa
Senior Member
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Steve X
Senior Member
So much for thinking ML will do something about the BS Toronto has been doing. So Finch west would just be another St Clair.
I guess I'll have to just the subway crowd and support grade separated transit with this crap.