Leo_Chan
Senior Member
So you’re saying the Province/Metrolinx should create an official rapid transit map for Toronto?
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Kyle Campbell
Active Member
Why not at a regional level, if equivalent agencies like the aforementioned RTA do. It's sort of what you'd think an agency like Metrolinx is for.
W. K. Lis
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robmausser
Senior Member
I hear a bunch of asian people working at tim hortons from time to time with this kind of voice. Its like a Chinese castrato or something. I've always been very curious about it, because they sound genetically like they have very low levels of testosterone. I've always wondered if there is some kind of genetic variation in their genes.
Sandpit
Active Member
I asked because I probably sound like that (well, not exactly, but...). My sister says it's strange how I still speak with a Chinese accent, despite the fact that I came here when I was five and have basically no Chinese friends (although I speak Cantonese at home).
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
The TTC doesn't show Go transit on the subway maps on the trains because they want to keep it simple for people to be able to understand, the same reason why they don't list all of the coating bus numbers either. If they did have all that it would be hard to read and very busy with extra lines and numbers. The new posters they put up in the trains with the streetcar routes are similar to the ones they put above the doors of the new ones that show how the streetcar network connects to the subway network.
Go isn't a big factor inside of the city of Toronto as mainly the only lines that see major use are the lakeshore and UPX. The Lakeshore line only runs trains about every 30 minutes or so and you have to time being at the station when the train will arive. As opposed to the subway that runs way more frequently anywhere between 6 and 2 minutes between trains plus all buses and streetcars feed into the subway network and not the go network.
hw621
Senior Member
So TTC riders are less capable than other cities?
rbt
Senior Member
There's a general movement toward very simple linear moving maps on LCD and they typically show much less information than the TTC currently has in their over-the-door maps.
Yes, a more detailed version might be tucked away on a wall but those are pretty damn hard to read when most riders are using the system (rush). Cities are increasingly forwarding you to their website for additional information and route planning.
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MisterF
Senior Member
You shouldn't have to go to a website to find a map that tells you at a glance where you need to go. Even more so, you shouldn't have to find multiple maps on multiple websites from multiple agencies and then try to piece your trip together. Trip planners are a great tool, but the official rapid transit map is still the primary way that people navigate rapid transit systems.
It's unrealistic that a city the size of Toronto should be able to fit its entire rapid transit system in a map over the door. That's old fashioned thinking and something that most cities don't do. Instead they put them on the walls of the train, in stations, printed on paper, or on phone apps.
Besides, it's not like you couldn't make the same argument for the regional systems in the other cities I just mentioned, but they all put them on their maps anyway. Because real transit doesn't operate in silos.
It's unrealistic that a city the size of Toronto should be able to fit its entire rapid transit system in a map over the door. That's old fashioned thinking and something that most cities don't do. Instead they put them on the walls of the train, in stations, printed on paper, or on phone apps.
The people of Montreal, Chicago, Boston, and Philadelphia all use maps that show the regional lines. Even the New York subway map shows them. I'm sure the good people of Toronto will be able to figure it out.
This is becoming less true with every passing year. UPX and Lakeshore both run every ~15 minutes and multiple other lines will follow, with frequencies rivalling the subway where lines converge. Fares will be integrated in some form. GO is going to continue becoming more relevant to the city of Toronto in the future, and will probably be almost as relevant as the subway itself. Definitely more so than the streetcar network.
Besides, it's not like you couldn't make the same argument for the regional systems in the other cities I just mentioned, but they all put them on their maps anyway. Because real transit doesn't operate in silos.
felix123
Active Member
Are you for real? Maybe you should also start a thread comparing skull measurements between races.
steveintoronto
Superstar
In fact, some cities like London UK, with massive intricate systems, publish both discrete and complete maps. I was just studying one last night and thought to download it for this discussion:
https://londonmap360.com/london-train-mapYou can find on this page the map of London suburban train, the map of London overground, the map of London DLR, the map of London Crossrail, the map of the South West Trains, the map of the First Capital Connect, the map of the Southern Railway, the map of the C2C, the map of the First Great Western, the map of the Chiltern Railways, the map of the Abellio Greater Anglia, the map of the Southeastern Railway and the map of the Heathrow Connect. These 12 urban, suburban and communter train networks are a transit system serving the city of London (United Kingdom) with the tube, the tram, the bus, the nigth bus or the river bus. These 12 commuter train networks have 52 lines and 1,325 stations forming a rail network of 2,671 miles (4,300 km).
London Rail Map
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The London urban, suburban and communter trains network is gathering several train networks.
Its network includes the following 12 networks:
• London Overground
• Docklands Light Railway (DLR)
• Crossrail
• South West Trains
• First Capital Connect
• Southern Railway
• C2C
• First Great Western
• Chiltern Railways
• Abellio Greater Anglia
• Southeastern Railway
• Heathrow Connect
If London can do it with a system approx ten times the size of Toronto's, then why can't Toronto? Eh?
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
It would actually be quite useful if there was one map for GO and TTC.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
...and Mississauga, Brampton, YRT, DRT, Oakville, etc....
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
Not sure if there would be that much space on a map
Neutrino
Senior Member
I bit my tongue when I saw Rob's comment, but I just knew someone would get triggered ?