Toronto Beacon Condos | 124.66m | 35s | Sorbara | Wallman Architects

Look at the properties on the Beacon site,.... plaza probably from 1940s, with AsianLegend, bubble tea place, Japanese place, clothing place,... tenant revovate interior as they wish as it could benefit their business as they operate. But landlord doesn't care. Former McDonalds probably built in 1970s that closed down and became Century21 real estate office - exterior looks the same, only interior was partition to more office like setting. Former youth centre ? in old building from 1920s,... most of these properties saw little or no exterior renovation especially in the last 20 years,... other than for store branding,... any money spent on renovation would have been wasted because developer would have paid the same for property,... developer just want the land,... they don't care about the condition of building on property,... they'll demolish them to build their own.
 
Those stretch of Yonge Street that looks like hell (old post war plaza with stores on ground level and appartment above),.... do you think anyone would ever buy them to renovate them and restore them to their former glory??? Seriously,...

Lol, I'm glad the rest of the city (and those along the nicer, well-maintained stretches of Yonge) doesn't share that attitude of "the hell with it, let it rot." Why wouldn't someone want to buy and renovate them? Much of the strip is cleaning up, just not fast enough for me. I want to be proud of where I live.

A can of paint and some landscaping can go a long way to making something look presentable. Minimal effort required. The problem is there is not enough pride for even that. Too much of Toronto looks like it was salvaged out of a landfill.
 
Yonge in North York Centre is a strange tapestry of public realm improvements. The former City of North York only improved the public realm when new development went up--and even then only immediately in front of the new project. As a result, some blocks along Yonge Street are attractively landscaped with trees, pavers and buried overhead wires, while others only have concrete sidewalks and wooden utility poles. (Even the utility poles vary from wooden poles along undeveloped blocks to sleeker metal poles and buried overhead wires along redeveloped blocks.) They should have just overhauled the entire street in their city centre.
 
Yonge in North York Centre is a strange tapestry of public realm improvements. The former City of North York only improved the public realm when new development went up--and even then only immediately in front of the new project. As a result, some blocks along Yonge Street are attractively landscaped with trees, pavers and buried overhead wires, while others only have concrete sidewalks and wooden utility poles. (Even the utility poles vary from wooden poles along undeveloped blocks to sleeker metal poles and buried overhead wires along redeveloped blocks.) They should have just overhauled the entire street in their city centre.

That's what you have when an area is in transition. You can NOT overhaul an entire street as you're proposing. This isn't 905 where you can build entire streetscape from an unlimited amount of farmland.

Not really strange,.... started with former city of North York but continues with amalgamated city of Toronto. That's the only way to do it along a major arterial road,... watch what happens to Eglinton,... same thing.

With the increase in density,... as plaza and single residential land hosts condos,... the pedestrian sidewalk along Yonge Street needs to be widen from the former 5-8 feet to about 20-25 feet. The city can't just blast through existing store frontage on private property to widen pedestrian sidewalk. The city must wait until the property comes up for development and then insist that the developer-property owner gives up some of their private property along Yonge to the city (it becomes city property) so city can created wider pedestrian sidewalk along Yonge - and then at that time, that portion of Yonge gets the updated streetscape look with wider pedestrian sidewalk, street furnitures, landscaped with trees, pavers, buried overhead wires, new overhead lighting poles, etc,.... usually at the developer's cost.

One of the best example of this mismatch pedestrian sidewalk is at Yonge-Dundas,... 3 of the 4 corners have been updated with wider pedestrian sidewalk since EatonCentre was built in the 1970s (Yonge-Dundas Square and 10 Dundas East only within last 10 years or so); but northwest corner still have original narrow sidewalk from over a hundred years ago,..... add in in-ground subway entrance and you have a pedestrian bottleneck at that corner.
 
That's what you have when an area is in transition. You can NOT overhaul an entire street as you're proposing. This isn't 905 where you can build entire streetscape from an unlimited amount of farmland.

Not really strange,.... started with former city of North York but continues with amalgamated city of Toronto. That's the only way to do it along a major arterial road,... watch what happens to Eglinton,... same thing.

With the increase in density,... as plaza and single residential land hosts condos,... the pedestrian sidewalk along Yonge Street needs to be widen from the former 5-8 feet to about 20-25 feet. The city can't just blast through existing store frontage on private property to widen pedestrian sidewalk. The city must wait until the property comes up for development and then insist that the developer-property owner gives up some of their private property along Yonge to the city (it becomes city property) so city can created wider pedestrian sidewalk along Yonge - and then at that time, that portion of Yonge gets the updated streetscape look with wider pedestrian sidewalk, street furnitures, landscaped with trees, pavers, buried overhead wires, new overhead lighting poles, etc,.... usually at the developer's cost.

One of the best example of this mismatch pedestrian sidewalk is at Yonge-Dundas,... 3 of the 4 corners have been updated with wider pedestrian sidewalk since EatonCentre was built in the 1970s (Yonge-Dundas Square and 10 Dundas East only within last 10 years or so); but northwest corner still have original narrow sidewalk from over a hundred years ago,..... add in in-ground subway entrance and you have a pedestrian bottleneck at that corner.

We're not just talking about wider sidewalks but also about buried overhead wires, more attractive street lighting, trees, pavers and a landscaped median. I prefer a complete block-by-block transformation of the public realm like St. George at U of T, Bloor in Yorkville or Queens Quay at Harbourfront. Sidewalks can be widened when the opportunity comes up, but waiting for redevelopment to implement any sort of public realm improvements isn't satisfactory--especially when some blocks are improved by the city and some are not as on Yonge Street in North York Centre.
 
We're not just talking about wider sidewalks but also about buried overhead wires, more attractive street lighting, trees, pavers and a landscaped median. I prefer a complete block-by-block transformation of the public realm like St. George at U of T, Bloor in Yorkville or Queens Quay at Harbourfront. Sidewalks can be widened when the opportunity comes up, but waiting for redevelopment to implement any sort of public realm improvements isn't satisfactory--especially when some blocks are improved by the city and some are not as on Yonge Street in North York Centre.


Ok,... so who should pay for this? The city???,.... IE: taxpayers???

Seriously, who paid for theose "complete block-by-block transformation of the public realm like":
"St. George at U of T" - paid for by the University of Toronto and a private donor
"Bloor in Yorkville" - $20million funded by Bloor-Yorkville BIA
"Queens Quay at Harbourfront" - funded by WaterFrontToronto for PanAm games (city, province, federal funds) - way overbudget and late as per most taxpayer funded projects!

Where are you going to bury overhead wires,... under sidewalk.
Where are you going to install poles for more attractive street lighting,... on sidewalk.
Where are you going to put in trees,... tree planters on or embedded in sidewalk.
Where are you going to put in landscaped median,.. on sidewalk - ok, not this one,.. but in left turn centre lane.

Let's also add some more street furniture on these old 6-8 feet wide pedestrian sidewalk,... some tree planter are already 4 feet wide so we'll leave a good 2-4 feet sidewalk width for pedestian to actually walk.

So you're saying lets do all this stuff on the old narrow 6-8 feet wide sidewalk now,... at taxpayers expense, of course,... err, I mean city expense,... but once development comes in, we'll rip up these new narrow sidewalks and redo it again when they're widen, but this time at developer cost! Run that through your local councillor and city representatives and get their support! The city of Toronto is sitting on a ton of money!!!! Matching streetscape should take higher priority than the other city responsibilities like transit, traffic congestion, social housing, homelessness, public health, emergency services, etc,...

Do you actually live in North York Centre? Do you remember the water main work the city did last summer,... often had to rip up mainly the curb lane or sidewalk,... and the chaos and inconvenience that followed,... when they rip up the older 6-8 feet wide sidewalk that doesn't leave a lot of space for pedestrians in this high density area to walk around,.... often closing a curb lane as well, in an area of Toronto that already has some of the worst traffic congestion in North America,... but hey, let's do this kind of sidewalk construction twice,... first just to get all the blocks to match,... and then have developer redo it again in 5- 10 year,...

In addition, the template for North York streetscape is NOT constant,... it's always changing and being updated. In the mid-1990s just before the area went condo crazy, the city of North York consulted the local communities to come up with the streetscape template for North York Centre,... that's basically what's implemented along Yonge Street in front of Mel Lastman Square and Empress Walk,... and the tree lined centre median,... above ground cement box tree planters,... and black painted metal bench with groovy tubes that looks more appropriate from 70's style!!!,... that style of streetscape is 20 years old already!!!

Now compare that streetscape to the new fresh streetscape style that's been implemented along the pedestrian sidewalk around Tridel Hullmark Centre and soon at EmeraldPark,... with flower and tree planters embeded into the sidewalk and lower pedestrian friendly LED lighting. If the city would have implemented your idea of getting all the blocks in the area to match all at once, then new modern buildings like Tridel HullmarkCentre and EmeraldPark would be opening with streetscape from the 1990s,.... 20 year old streetscape design!

20 years from now go to Bloor in Yorkville or Queens Quay,... and look at the streetscape,... everyone will be saying "Ewww, the whole street looks so 2010-ish,... so old fashion!"

Look at the current streetscape in front to the Beacon site,... its' standard streetscape from when the post war plaza and 70s McDonalds was built,.... streetscape remains constant. When Beacon is finish, should it have modern streetscape like Tridel HullmarkCentre & EmeraldPark or the 20 year old streetscape like EmpressWalk?


BTW, new Queen Quay re-opening celebration all weekend long starting with opening ceremonies Friday at 6pm
 
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North York should have made consistent improvements from one block to the next. It was supposed to be their proud city's downtown core with high-value developments like granite office buildings and condos. Yes, taxpayers should have paid for it, along with the developers who benefited from a more attractive area. Improving the public realm to create an area that's attractive to people and businesses is good municipal governance.
 
North York should have made consistent improvements from one block to the next. It was supposed to be their proud city's downtown core with high-value developments like granite office buildings and condos. Yes, taxpayers should have paid for it, along with the developers who benefited from a more attractive area. Improving the public realm to create an area that's attractive to people and businesses is good municipal governance.

"good municipal governance",.... buddy, you're in the wrong city for that!

Seriously,... Which of Toronto's proud downtown core (urban centres) have this wonderful complete block-by-block public realm streetscape that you speak of???

Granite,... At over 20 years old, North York City Centre (the office-retail complex) has lots of granite and looks really dated now. And don't get me started on that dark granite sidewalk and street furniture along Bloor Street - the granite is the exact same colour as the asphalt road making the area a dangerous place for anyone with poor visibility issues. Marble buildings like First Canadian place looks more like giant tombstones.


Anyways, there's a lot of things in this world that coulda, shoulda and woulda happen,... but if the money isn't there to back it up,... nothing gonna happen!


Let's look more closely at the complete block-by-block public realm streetscaping examples you cited,....

"Queens Quay at Harbourfront": 1.7km originally at $93.2 million but now overbudget at $128.9 million and counting! Still not completed yet! Funded by WaterFrontToronto (city, province and Federal funds)
http://www.thestar.com/news/city_ha...ay_revitalization_35_million_over_budget.html

"Bloor in Yorkville" 0.92km (Avenue Rd to Church St) originally $20 million funded by Bloor-Yorkville BIA but came in at $41 million overbudget! Partial city funding. After this, you definitely don't see other BIA lining up to redo their entire streetscape!
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...italization-is-taking-so-long/article1366723/

From the Bloor-Yorkville and Queens Quay example you cited, a complete block-by-block public realm streetscape transformation cost about $45million to $76million per kilometre. North York Centre is 3.2km along Yonge from Highway 401 to Finch Hydro Corridor (or 3.75km to Cummer-Drewy since there's office & condo in this segment as well). So for North York Centre your prefered complete block-by-block public realm streetscape transformation which you say taxpayers should pay for,.... will cost city taxpayers $144million to $285million,... only to be torn up and replaced a few years later as developer redevelop the property. You think city taxpayers have money to burn??? I think that city taxpayer money of $144million to $285million can be much better spent on things like transit,... how many new buses, streetcars, LTR, subway cars will $144million to $285million buy the city????


In old city of Toronto, for cost of regular streetscape program (tree planter, hanging flower pots, street lamps, street benches, etc,...) there was a 50-50 split between city and BIA. Now it's 35% city and 65% BIA split. Basically anyone can form a BIA and lobby for city money,... but you're going to have to put up 65% of the cost,... how deep is your pocket for a $144million to $285million project.

Under the current North York City Centre Yonge Street streetscape redevelopment plan, the city wait until there's development along that stretch of Yonge Street (as is what's happening at Beacon site) and the developer have to give up land to the city for wider pedestrian sidewalks and developer is responsible for cost of redeveloping the public realm streetscape along the new sidewalk. Cost to city taxpayers,.. nada!
 
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They started construction just yesterday. Starting to remove all the furnishings from the presentation center. Things should start moving pretty quickly now...hopefully a new presentation center pops up soon forthe adjacent land and start cleaning up that ugly stretch on Yonge street. I've lived in the area since '03,so many changes to the neighborhood since then.
 
Piles have gone into the ground here, so shoring is under way, and excavation shouldn't be too long from now. In this first photo looking south down Yonge Street, you can just make out drilling rigs, looking a little telephone pole-ish in front of Gibson Square.

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I didn't realize this was starting already.

That's probably because Beacon's sales office was still up a few weeks ago,.... Sorbara started selling Beacon after they got all the city development approvals,... so once sales reach a threashold, they're ready to start construction.

Whereas these days, most developers sell first and then worry about getting city development approvals later,.... problem is once city gets development applications it'll take about 2 years for approval,... thus buyers buy and wait 2 years before they see any construction start,... and then it'll take another 3-4 years of construction before condo is ready,...
 
Does anyone know what retail will eventually be going into the retail space at Beacon and what the plans are now for the property just north of it?
 
Does anyone know what retail will eventually be going into the retail space at Beacon and what the plans are now for the property just north of it?

Instead of expecting to get spoon fed, you should try reading the thread, the retail at Beacon has been discussed. As for the property just to the north, it has its own thread too!
 
The post was from August and October of 2014 in regards to the retail in which it mentions the St Lawrence market type of retail...I just figured that was specualtion. I didn't think they leased out space in future condo's so much in advance. I was just wondering if anyone had anything more concrete or if it was too early for that. The site that Centrium was to be built on went bust.....haven't seen anything since that became public.
 

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