vegeta_skyline
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Agreed, save that for skyscraperpage. They have those debates practically every other month.
Toronto 160 Front West | 239.87m | 46s | Cadillac Fairview | AS + GG
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Agreed, save that for skyscraperpage. They have those debates practically every other month.
salsa
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Why not create a dedicated thread for that? There's another thread for Toronto vs Chicago.
Waterloo_Guy
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I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but at 265m, and at this location, this building will really stand out. Perhaps the renderings don't do it justice, but this could be a pretty big scar on the skyline.
Mongo
Senior Member
This is one time I would want to see a Sketchup of the area with all the proposals in place. Union Centre will be right across the street from 156 Front, and almost as tall. The two towers have different but somewhat similar curvy designs, and I suspect (hope) that they will work well together.
Not to mention the Foster supertalls at Oxford Place just down the street, which will also grab some of the attention being being directed toward 156 Front..
Not to mention the Foster supertalls at Oxford Place just down the street, which will also grab some of the attention being being directed toward 156 Front..
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Waterloo_Guy
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I agree with you about Union Centre; it might make all the difference.
As far as the Oxford/Foster proposal goes, I think the market is their enemy. It isn't easy securing leases on that much office space, and I wouldn't be surprised if Oxford scales this down in order to begin construction. I also wouldn't be surprised if the ambitious proposal was just a way to sell a casino to the city.
AlvinofDiaspar
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I doubt they'd scale it down - they aren't in a rush to redevelop the property - and it is definitely one of the largest sites available in the core these days.
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Mongo
Senior Member
I believe that one of the reasons that Oxford was pushing for a casino at the location was to provide enough cash flow to speed up the development timescale for the rest of Oxford Place. So instead of taking 10-15 years to build it out, Oxford's share of the casino revenues might have reduced the buildout time to maybe 7-10 years. A casino might also have increased the built-in market for hotel space. Without a casino, the hotel towers are likely to be scaled back or even eliminated (they might be replaced by condo towers, given Toronto's long-term demand for more downtown living space), but the size of the office towers would presumably not be effected.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
On the brighter side, the removal of the casino/hotel component can leave room for an additional office space above and beyond what's been proposed. We shall see - it's important to get this project right given the stakes. Anyways, going OT - I am looking forward to these projects coming online.
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Waterloo_Guy
Active Member
Perhaps, but they can't build towers that big without securing some big leases. Office developers often scale down and build less than what they were approved for in order to put shovels in the ground.
As for 156 Front, It's a great location and at least the design will add some variety.
Big Daddy
Senior Member
Not only that, but it is an absolutely dynamite location - Central to everything.
This project will definitely be high on the list for anyone considering a downtown location - new or relocate.
Waterloo_Guy
Active Member
It looks like a coffin. I just realized it. It's a coffin.
ProjectEnd
Superstar
*Slow clap.*
Mongo
Senior Member
I don't see it. If 156 Front W is a coffin, so are most other tall buildings in Toronto.
Big Daddy
Senior Member
A coffin? I may need some of whatever it is you are smoking to see it.
You do know what a coffin is, right?
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TheTigerMaster
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I'd love my coffin to look like that.