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Time for a tunnel to airport island?

We'll have to find Moses to hire him. And with Unions and stuff, his salary might command more than the cost to build the tunnel/bridge to the island.

well we're just gonna have to ask jesus how he walks on water then.
 
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Wait a sec, we actually have a clothing-optional beach???

I might be away from the forum for a few weeks.
 
We'll have to find Moses to hire him. And with Unions and stuff, his salary might command more than the cost to build the tunnel/bridge to the island.


Sorry. Jane Jacobs already vanquished him before moving to Toronto.
 
CITY: Proposed tunnel to City Centre Airport sparks debate

CITY: Proposed tunnel to City Centre Airport sparks debate

http://www.insidetoronto.ca/article/74619


Most Torontonians want a tunnel to Toronto City Centre Airport, so the Toronto Port Authority will try building it with public infrastructure funds, chairperson Mark McQueen says.

The federal public authority is preparing for an environmental assessment of the project, an underground pedestrian walkway to Hanlan's Point with a $38-million working budget, hoping to get half the cost covered by federal stimulus funds that run out on March 31, 2011.

In an interview, McQueen mentioned a telephone poll done for the port authority last month. It suggests 62 per cent of the 500 respondents supported a tunnel's construction.

"Obviously, the travelling public are fans of the airport" and of the tunnel proposal, McQueen said.

"The fact that a handful have a complaint about it is no different than any other project in the country."

Mayor David Miller is on vacation but Stuart Green, a spokesperson for Miller, released a short statement Monday saying the mayor was elected on a platform opposing the island airport's expansion.

Money for a tunnel "should be used to benefit the broader general public and not just one private business," the statement said, referring to Porter Airlines, which operates from TCCA and has doubled commercial passenger traffic there between 2007 and 2008.

"The City of Toronto is focused on revitalizing the waterfront and a commercial airport is not compatible with that revitalization."

Trinity-Spadina MP Olivia Chow called the port authority's goal "a tunnel for a privileged few" and argued the poll didn't say public funds should pay for it or if the tunnel should be built "ahead of crumbling roads and highways," aging streetcars, sewer repairs or other projects in Toronto which could receive federal funds.

The tunnel's success against competing stimulus projects may depend on how many lobbyists Porter and the port authority hire to promote it, Chow said.

In its own release, the citizen group Community Airport Impact Review (CommunityAIR) argued Porter has a near-monopoly on commercial service from the airport, received millions of tax dollars in the past and should get no more public money or assets.

"If Porter wants the tunnel, it should be paying for it," CommunityAIR chairperson Brian Iler said.

"This is all about the Harper government, and its majority of the TPA board, throwing its weight around to help Porter."

The TPA will put up some money for the project itself and try to get the remainder from the province.

Last month's poll incidentally asked residents if they supported the view - expressed by Miller, Toronto councillors and Chow - that the port authority be dismantled and its powers handed to the city. It found only 31 per cent favoured that idea and 58 per cent opposed it.

Asked whether residents would agree to construction effectively subsidizing a private company, McQueen said train stations and airports across the country have public roads leading to them. "And no one ever charges Air Canada to build a turnoff to go to Pearson (International Airport)," he added.
 
Wait a sec, we actually have a clothing-optional beach???

I might be away from the forum for a few weeks.

The clothing optional beach is the south half of the beach, the north half of the beach up to the airport is not clothing optional. That arrow indicating the clothing optional area is not accurate so don't go flinging your clothes off there without risking a fine!
 
CITY: Proposed tunnel to City Centre Airport sparks debate

http://www.insidetoronto.ca/article/74619


Most Torontonians want a tunnel to Toronto City Centre Airport, so the Toronto Port Authority will try building it with public infrastructure funds, chairperson Mark McQueen says.

Toronto Star poll (as of 11:00pm Aug 24th)

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"If Porter wants the tunnel, it should be paying for it," CommunityAIR chairperson Brian Iler said.

I agree, Porter can pay for it.

A rail line from Pearson to downtown is what is needed and what needs to be focused on, not more taxpayers money to a private company for a tunnel underneath the channel.
 
I suppose the opposition's coming from both ends, i.e. from those opposed to any connector at all, and from those who feel a tunnel (esp. a ped tunnel) is too flimsy a solution...
 
Ottawa set to approve Toronto island tunnel cash

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto/story.html?id=1925808

A request for millions in federal stimulus funds to build a pedestrian tunnel to Toronto Island airport will "meet a favourable response," federal officials have told Global News.

The contentious project, which sources describe as a compromise that is supported by the majority of Torontonians, would get underway by 2011.

Opponents are attempting to frame the debate as a class issue, claiming it would be wrong to divert federal stimulus funds to a "private business" that serves a "privileged few."

But federal sources counter by saying the Toronto Port Authority, which owns and operates the island airport, is in public hands.

The CEO of the port authority sent a request last week to the federal government for $19-million from the stimulus fund to help finance the tunnel under the lake to the airport, which is served by ferry.

The federal cash would represent half the cost, with the port authority putting in $7-million and the final $12-million coming from the provincial government.

Mayor David Miller, whose first election campaign in 2003 was largely defined by his opposition to an island airport bridge, decried the port authority's bid for funds in a statement yesterday. The city has applied for more than $500-million in federal stimulus dollars for repairs to the city's sewage system, the Gardiner Expressway and other projects.

"The Mayor ... believes that the proposed $38-million in public funds should be used to benefit the broader general public and not just one private business," Miller spokesman Stuart Green said in an email. "The City of Toronto is focused on revitalizing the waterfront and a commercial airport is not compatible with that revitalization."

Ken Lundy, director for the Toronto City Centre Airport, said the tunnel project is an excellent way to spend stimulus cash, because it will create construction jobs immediately. After an environmental assessment has been completed, he said, construction should begin in January and completed by March 2011.

The tunnel would serve employees at the Ministry of Health's medical evacuation facilities, he said, and provide an opportunity for the city to begin its project to connect homes on Toronto Island to city water lines "at a much reduced cost."

Mr. Lundy said he hasn't heard back from the federal government, but is hopeful about Queen's Park authorizing the financing.

"At the meetings I attended, [the provincial authorities] saw great benefits to the local economy. The meetings were very positive," he said.

NDP MP Olivia Chow, whose federal Trinity-Spadina riding includes the island airport, released a statement yesterday calling on Ottawa to invest in repairing Toronto's "aged infrastructure" instead of "funding a tunnel for a privileged few." In an interview, Ms. Chow said an unelected body such as the TPA should not compete with city hall for stimulus funds, diverting money away from projects that elected members of the city council have approved.

By subsidizing Porter Airlines, the popular airline that has been flying out of the airport since 2006, the government is taking business away from Air Canada, which flies out of Pearson International Airport, and thus limiting the airline's ability to service smaller Canadian communities, she said.

Mr. Lundy pointed to a July poll of 500 City of Toronto residents conducted by the research firm Pollara Strategic Insights for the TPA, which showed that 62% of respondents supported the construction of an airport island tunnel.

Ms. Chow counters the respondents weren't asked if they were willing to use public funds to construct the tunnel. Nor did the poll ask whether respondents would rather see this money go to the tunnel, to fix the Gardiner Expressway or repair the city's sewage system, she said.
 
Ohh come on, the NDP complaining about using taxpayer moneys to subsidize something? Is that a joke? The NDP's solution to almost every problem involves spending more money, but now all of a sudden they have discovered their inner Mike Harris?

Maybe if they came up with some decent reasons why we shouldn't subsidize something as opposed to simply assuming there is something abnormal about public money subsidizing things.
 
I might not oppose this if other airlines could in fact use the island airport. Since they can't, it's a subsidy for Porter.
 
Why is that bad? Ideologically it doesn't appeal to me to subsidize Porter, but we are so far down the slippery slope of subsidizing this and that private company that I can't see any real reason why Porter should be excluded from the stimulus, I mean "investment", orgy. Should we make a list of private companies the NDP had a hissy fit about because we weren't subsidizing them enough?

EDIT: None of this is to say I think the Feds should just give them the money no questions asked. It should go through the same infrastructure qualification process as everything else and be subjected to a fair cost/benefit analysis. If the tunnel doesn't yield sufficient benefits then don't build it. The NDP could make the case that the benefits of a tunnel won't be very high, but they're not. They are just giving some blatantly hypocritical denunciation of government intervention in the economy. Considering their entire reason d'etre is to advocate for more government intervention, it is so painfully idiotic of them to make that argument.
 
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