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Smitherman's Transit plan

Much more so. The Finch LRT at least will penetrate Rexdale, and give residents quality transit. You guys deemed it necessary to give Scarborough a subway, and totally ignored Rexdale.
Please cut the patronizing "you guys" bullsh;t. Individually or as part of any group, I didn't ignore or deem anything necessary.

How do you know Giambrone was advised to include it, and declined? Why do you(others) make these accusations? If you have proof, fine, but....
Sorry, I don't betray a friend's confidence. But do you really believe Transit City was welcomed with open arms by everyone within the TTC?

As to why people make accusations in general, my unprofessional opinion is that it's human nature.

Miller, and Giambrone do not oppose the subway to Richmond Hill. Miller understands the extension will just make it harder for Toronto riders to board a train. I would think you would be behind Miller on this one, considering he demanded the province move up the DRL in priority before building the subway to RHC. York could care less about Toronto and what happens below Steeles. They have already made that clear with forcing the entire operating cost of the Spadina Subway extension onto the city, and us Toronto taxpayers.
Actually, Giambrone vehemently opposes the Yonge extension happening at all (and my proof is that I personally heard him say this last summer). I am behind Miller on this one, but I would have been much happier if the DRL was being planned and built right now, as it should be. Instead, it appears that the Yonge extension and some form of DRL will likely be a package deal sometime down the road.

So Mayor Miller, our greatest mayor ever, failed to defend Toronto's interests against York and cost the city money? York has strong leadership and Toronto weak? Pity. At this rate, York might get the Yonge extension without a Toronto DRL.

When does Fatso Ford release his transit proposal? I'm in the mood for more accusations.
 
When does ... Ford release his transit proposal? I'm in the mood for more accusations.

I'm pretty sure Ford's plan, should there be one, would consist of:
- The private sector wants to build subways everywhere for pennies.
- We'll get the funding for even more subways by cutting the paperclips budget.
- I don't like driving behind streetcars. Eliminate them.
 
I'm pretty sure Ford's plan, should there be one, would consist of:
- The private sector wants to build subways everywhere for pennies.
- We'll get the funding for even more subways by cutting the paperclips budget.
- I don't like driving behind streetcars. Eliminate them.

You forgot to include getting his printing company to print transfers for free.
 
I'm not trying to reign anyone in or things back on topic (I'm totally down for a good old Ford dissin' session), but a colleague and I were talking today about mayoral prospects, and how Smitherman really missed the mark with this stupid transit plan. I'd like to say I'm not voting for him, but I'll implode if a bunch of hair-brained idiots are allowed make Ford the leader of this city. Hate to vote strategically, but I'm not sure there's any viable competition to the ignorant juggernaut that is Rob Ford. It will be interesting to see what he comes up with.
 
I'm pretty sure Ford's plan, should there be one, would consist of:
- The private sector wants to build subways everywhere for pennies.
- We'll get the funding for even more subways by cutting the paperclips budget.
- I don't like driving behind streetcars. Eliminate them.

Rob Ford's plan for subway financing is probably very weak, but I'm wondering if there's one place where the private sector could build a subway line: the Richview corridor. The city could give away lands to developers for attractive price with the provision that developers build the subway tunnels along with their underground parking structures. Would it be unfeasible?
 

Thanks for implying that Rob Ford supporters are "hair-brained idiots". Now I'll have zero regret or remorse for people like you when I triumphantly check an X beside Rob Ford's name on October the 25th.

I'm pretty sure Ford's plan, should there be one, would consist of:
- The private sector wants to build subways everywhere for pennies.
- We'll get the funding for even more subways by cutting the paperclips budget.
- I don't like driving behind streetcars. Eliminate them.

If it had occured to you that 32.5% of the City's 9.2 billion dollar operating budget was going towards City employees' wages alone (not including TTC staff, police, fire or EMS), perhaps you would change your tune. That's $2.992 billion. Until the TTC significantly expands the subway nework it'll be near impossible to get across the city (Scarborough to Etobicoke) without need for a private vehicle (which the City whims on punishing drivers even more for via the inevitable introduction of City road tolls). The current method just takes too long and Transit City will not help improve a majority of transit users' crosstown commutes outside those whom live within proximity of a line. Lastly tell me something, did the private-sector investment agency, InTransit BC, not help to get the RAV built at budget, months ahead of schedule and is now enjoying a 33.3 stake in a ridership base that's already nearing capacity within less than a full year's operation?

Could the reason that it's taking 30 years for the DRL to be built (110 years really, since a Queen Street subway has been a major frequently mentioned City priority all through the decades) be because we have become myopic in our way of thinking here in Toronto; that we'll consider no other source of projected peak volume usage other than the TTC's, that we'll consider no other funding sources other than holding out our hands for Uncle McGuinty and Uncle Harper's scraps?
 
Hey, I live near Danforth ... and getting across the city on the subway line to Kipling still takes too long! For long trips, subway is no great solution. We need express rail.
 
Rob Ford's plan for subway financing is probably very weak, but I'm wondering if there's one place where the private sector could build a subway line: the Richview corridor. The city could give away lands to developers for attractive price with the provision that developers build the subway tunnels along with their underground parking structures. Would it be unfeasible?
What might be a better idea would be to promise developers subway along the tract. Then, have a real PPP: developers build their high rise foundations for key buildings right over the corridor at every subway stop. The city comes in and just trenches the corridor in between the big arterials, and then links it up to the building foundations, where developers will then build the subway station right into the building. There definitely isn't demand for the entire corridor to go by getting developers to build it, but saying that you'll give it away for nothing (or almost nothing) as long as you build a subway station literally right into a TOD has huge potential. This would definitely need to happen. I'm sure there's other places it'd work really well, maybe even for elevated lines too.
 
Hey, I live near Danforth ... and getting across the city on the subway line to Kipling still takes too long! For long trips, subway is no great solution. We need express rail.

No need for sarcasm. I'm just saying there are many ways that I could be utilizing my free time than to be spending hours in cramped quarters on a transit vehicle with people with questionable hygiene and/or the common courtesy not to talking loudly into their cellphones or be playing muzak for the whole cattle car to hear.
 
Thanks for implying that Rob Ford supporters are "hair-brained idiots". Now I'll have zero regret or remorse for people like you when I triumphantly check an X beside Rob Ford's name on October the 25th.

Hate to break it to you, but if you're looking for a step forward with transit, Rob Ford is not the answer. He's paying lip service to subway expansion, that's all. I don't believe for a second he's actually sincere about widespread subway expansion. We may get a line or so in the next decade, but that's about all. I'm all for having TC replaced, but replacing it with Rob Ford's transit "vision" is not a viable option.

Voting for Rob Ford to expand transit is like voting for Jack Layton to lower taxes. It ain't gonna happen. Anyone deluding themselves into thinking it actually will deserves Rob Ford as their mayor. His "transit plan" is nothing more than a political ploy to lure gullable subway-wanting voters who think that Ford will actually be sincere with his campaign promises of transit expansion.

If you want to vote for him despite his racism, biggotry, and numerous f***-ups, fine. If you want to vote for him because you think he'll get hookers and blow for everyone in the city, fine (I wouldn't put it past him to have both of those at his celebration party if he wins). But don't vote for him because you think you'll be getting a viable transit network under his leadership.
 
Hate to break it to you, but if you're looking for a step forward with transit, Rob Ford is not the answer. He's paying lip service to subway expansion, that's all. I don't believe for a second he's actually sincere about widespread subway expansion. We may get a line or so in the next decade, but that's about all. I'm all for having TC replaced, but replacing it with Rob Ford's transit "vision" is not a viable option.
Well if that's true, what will Queen's Park and Metrolinx do if he wins? Tell him he's got $X billion to spend on whatever lines he wants? Put the squeeze on him to build what they want? Nothing?
 
If Mel Lastman could build a subway line in the dark days of the Harris Conservatives, I don't see why Ford couldn't achieve some progress. I wouldn't want an oaf like Ford as mayor representing our fair city, but Lastman's gaffes in office will probably never be topped, like calling in the army to deal with a blizzard, threatening to kill Adam Vaughan, making racist jokes at the time of our Olympic bid, shaking hands with the Hell's Angels, and his illegitimate children surfacing.

If Lastman could build a new line, I'm sure Ford could build more with a more transit-friendly government in power. I'm sure he's familiar with the Richview corridor and the public-private opportunities it represents.
 
If Mel Lastman could build a subway line in the dark days of the Harris Conservatives ...
Keeping in mind that Lastman didn't become mayor of Toronto until 1998, by which point Sheppard was already well under construction. He certainly had influence, but he wasn't running Metro, who funded it.
 
Hate to break it to you, but if you're looking for a step forward with transit, Rob Ford is not the answer. He's paying lip service to subway expansion, that's all. I don't believe for a second he's actually sincere about widespread subway expansion. We may get a line or so in the next decade, but that's about all. I'm all for having TC replaced, but replacing it with Rob Ford's transit "vision" is not a viable option.

Lol. "A line or so in the next decade...", um isn't that precisely what SOS has been after all along? If we could get a line to the airport and another line to Scarborough Town Centre completed within this decade, would that not be a remarkable feat of the right mix of political will and fiscally responsible building protocol? I ask you this seriously because I'm wondering what it is you even stand for at this point.

Voting for Rob Ford to expand transit is like voting for Jack Layton to lower taxes. It ain't gonna happen. Anyone deluding themselves into thinking it actually will deserves Rob Ford as their mayor. His "transit plan" is nothing more than a political ploy to lure gullable subway-wanting voters who think that Ford will actually be sincere with his campaign promises of transit expansion.

Okay, fair enough. I have yet to see Ford's transit plan. I will be just as critical on it as anyone else here if I find it to be BS. Everytime I've contacted him though he's reassured me that he has the connections to make it happen, and by the way that he has been going after some blantantly obvious cogs in the wheel *cough* socialist silly hall councillors/ATU Local 113 *cough*, I'm of the belief that by taking back the agenda from those narrow interests, that will put the public's consensus right at the front of the line. 93% of Torontonians polled by the Toronto Star stated subways as their preferred choice. The populist candidate has run on a mandate of listening to the constituents, not on what politicians want to force down the public's throats and through their backyards. No one wants the imposition of building a surface "streetcar" line through their neighbourhood, no one beyond a fringe percentage of citizens. BRT is affordable and quick to build and is suited to suburban ridings like Ford's where ridership will never justify the high price-tag for light-rail. We could be blanketing the whole city with them right away for the same or less expense than Transit City along only 4 corridors. Time and again for years Ford has stated that a city of Toronto's size needs more buses and subways.

If you want to vote for him despite his racism, biggotry, and numerous f***-ups, fine. If you want to vote for him because you think he'll get hookers and blow for everyone in the city, fine (I wouldn't put it past him to have both of those at his celebration party if he wins). But don't vote for him because you think you'll be getting a viable transit network under his leadership.

Instead of belittling me for looking at the big picture here and seeing that the TC agenda will go through so long as Toronto/Ontario continues to elect in self-interested union-loving career politicians; need I remind certain individuals that’s posting here that the window of opportunity to present Rob Ford with your suggestions for subway expansion is still very open for business (unlike the nonresponsive Thomson/Smitherman campaigns)? Time wasted here arguing with (or on behalf of) LRTistas ad nauseum won’t change anything, getting a frontrunner mayoral candidate n’sync with your viewpoints can.
 

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