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SmartTrack (Proposed)

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Every transit plan thats ever been pitched to the city of Toronto always gets scaled back. Transit City, the RT system, the 2011 plan, etc etc. Thats just politics and the reality of funding, and that most plans in politics are always opulent and over the top, theres almost an expectation they will be scaled back. You bid high and things settle where they should.
So we cancelled fully funded plans for napkin plans which got scaled back and yet you think this was a good decision?! Some good Kool Aid.
 

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Gonna go out on a limb and guess that you didn't actually read his words; eye roll, indeed.

Regular reminder for anyone who wants to be taken seriously to attack the ideas, not the person.
Most people don't have arguments against the idea, just the one saying it. All parties have good ideas and bad ideas. Call them out equally and you are good.
 

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Gonna go out on a limb and guess that you didn't actually read his words; eye roll, indeed.

Regular reminder for anyone who wants to be taken seriously to attack the ideas, not the person.
Sorry you didn't catch my sarcasm.
 

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Sorry you didn't catch my sarcasm.
Indeed, and in that case, my apologies.

Most people don't have arguments against the idea, just the one saying it. All parties have good ideas and bad ideas. Call them out equally and you are good.
Guessing this one wasn't sarcastic, so I'm going to poke at it: it is simply not reasonable to suggest that the points made by "all parties" should be granted the same weight -- Steve Munro is a genuine subject matter expert so, no, his contributions shouldn't stand side-by-side with those of the Christina Blizzards of the world.

The semi-frequent characterization of Munro as some two-bit NDP hack is laughable given that he is fairly often asked by the TTC, Metrolinx, and other Canadian and international transit agencies and consultants to give his advice on their projects -- he isn't some armchair quarterback chirping from the sidelines (unlike others).
 

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Indeed, and in that case, my apologies.



Guessing this one wasn't sarcastic, so I'm going to poke at it: it is simply not reasonable to suggest that the points made by "all parties" should be granted the same weight -- Steve Munro is a genuine subject matter expert so, no, his contributions shouldn't stand side-by-side with those of the Christina Blizzards of the world.

The semi-frequent characterization of Munro as some two-bit NDP hack is laughable given that he is fairly often asked by the TTC, Metrolinx, and other Canadian and international transit agencies and consultants to give his advice on their projects -- he isn't some armchair quarterback chirping from the sidelines (unlike others).
Mine wasn't sarcasm. Smarttrack seems like a good idea, even though it was a last minute idea.
 

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Mine wasn't sarcasm. Smarttrack seems like a good idea, even though it was a last minute idea.
Tossing our thought out and researched plans for a Last minute idea is never a good idea. I still question if it was actually an idea to get people moving or to get people to the ballot boxes.
 

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Tossing our thought out and researched plans for a Last minute idea is never a good idea. I still question if it was actually an idea to get people moving or to get people to the ballot boxes.
Most likely the latter, but if it was possible, it would have done what the EXO will do in Montreal.
 

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Adding new stops to GO lines isn't a new idea. It's just that the province would repeat over and over that GO is for the (905) and the Subway for the (416). The current political atmosphere wasn't changed by Tory's Smarttrack, either. It was changed the year prior when Wynne was elected with a majority won largely as a result of her GO RER plan.
 

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Adding new stops to GO lines isn't a new idea. It's just that the province would repeat over and over that GO is for the (905) and the Subway for the (416). The current political atmosphere wasn't changed by Tory's Smarttrack, either. It was changed the year prior when Wynne was elected with a majority won largely as a result of her GO RER plan.
That is just it, it was poorly timed. However, if the city had said that they would pay a portion of the construction of the stations, the province might be willing. Then they could tout they brought more RT to Torontonians.

Remember, all transit is a political tool for the next election.
 

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So you think it is wise to elect someone who is promising a new plan, throw out an old plan, then expect to at least wait till the next election to see any results?
No. All I mean is that a politician does not use it, so all they can use it for is to get your vote. It seems every party has their own plan and every candidate has their own ideas, yet none say "we will do that too".
 

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The idea of ST was a very good one...……….take advantage of the infrastructure you already have. Of course some will say that this is what RER does but there is one VERY big difference, ST would have a standard TTC fare. This is something RER doesn't offer and now that the co-fare is about to end, expect even fewer riders on the inner city GO stations.
 

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The idea of ST was a very good one...……….take advantage of the infrastructure you already have. Of course some will say that this is what RER does but there is one VERY big difference, ST would have a standard TTC fare. This is something RER doesn't offer and now that the co-fare is about to end, expect even fewer riders on the inner city GO stations.
ST would have been a good idea if it was more refined. I feel like if the Stouffville GO Line could have been downloaded to the city of Toronto post electrification, making it a subway line instead of remaining part of a commuter rail system. Same with the Richmond Hill GO Line, it could have been replaced or rolled into a new Relief/Ontario Line. There are a few recent examples of doing something similar to this with the Sydney Metro or the Elizabeth Line/Crossrail. Not sure how viable it would actually be to implement, but it seems more logically than anything currently planned if the goal is to actually attract ridership and move people more efficiently around the GTA.
 

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ST would have been a good idea if it was more refined. I feel like if the Stouffville GO Line could have been downloaded to the city of Toronto post electrification, making it a subway line instead of remaining part of a commuter rail system. Same with the Richmond Hill GO Line, it could have been replaced or rolled into a new Relief/Ontario Line. There are a few recent examples of doing something similar to this with the Sydney Metro or the Elizabeth Line/Crossrail. Not sure how viable it would actually be to implement, but it seems more logically than anything currently planned if the goal is to actually attract ridership and move people more efficiently around the GTA.
This is where the argument goes sideways. Leaving it as a heavy rail line not part of the relief or other lines is what makes it good for GO.
 

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