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adma
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No, no, no, no, he's outside, looking in
[fight arbitrary imagery w/arbitrary imagery, I always say]
[fight arbitrary imagery w/arbitrary imagery, I always say]
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MetroMan1000
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I hope he likes it hot ...
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bizorky
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After poking around different sites, it was interesting to see how many people were unhappy with the death penalty and the execution of Saddam.
One article included a mentioning of how middle-class European society found such punishment barbaric.
Hussein, once recognized as a legitimate leader of his country, a country that could purchase advanced weaponry for wars and for the suppression of his own citizens (weapons often purchased from modern middle-class Europe), a leader who was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of his own people, was in fact a modern-day chieftan barbarian.
The outcry over his punishment and end are a little late.
One article included a mentioning of how middle-class European society found such punishment barbaric.
Hussein, once recognized as a legitimate leader of his country, a country that could purchase advanced weaponry for wars and for the suppression of his own citizens (weapons often purchased from modern middle-class Europe), a leader who was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of his own people, was in fact a modern-day chieftan barbarian.
The outcry over his punishment and end are a little late.
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ganjavih
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Well, he'll have more time for his significant other now...
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prometheus the supremo
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the execution video...
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THAT'S MESSED UP.
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www.liveleak.com/view?i=863ce7d4a3
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THAT'S MESSED UP.
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Dylan Leblanc
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sweet thanks
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shumoon
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Much of the criticism of the execution is not about the death penalty. Most people believed that Saddam was going to be (and should be) killed. It's the fact that he was to still stand trial for other crimes against humanity, not just the massacre at Dujail. People wanted their day in court to face Saddam. Once again, the Iraqi government has treated the Kurds as second-class citizens by not having Saddam face trial for his crimes in Halabja. Justice was not fully served by executing Saddam so soon. Iraq plans to go on with the other trials in absentia, but these will only be a farce.
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building babel
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I love farce.
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scarberiankhatru
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They so obviously hung one of his plastic-surgeried decoys...probably one from the Tikrit clan to give a close DNA match. The real Saddam retired to suburban Phoenix with Osama back in the 90s.
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shumoon
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today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2007-01-08T104239Z_01_IBO829208_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-SADDAM.xml
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The trial of six former Iraqi officials accused of trying to wipe out ethnic Kurds resumed in Baghdad on Monday with the chair once occupied by Saddam Hussein in court empty.
Nine days after Saddam was hanged for crimes against humanity for killing Shi'ites, the former president's cousin, "Chemical Ali" Hassan al-Majeed, and five other Baath party officials were back in the dock.
Judge Mohammed al-Ureybi, in his first order of business, formally dropped charges of genocide and crimes against humanity against Saddam. He cut off the microphones when Majeed stood up and started to read the Koran in tribute to his former chief.
"In virtue of the confirmation of the death of defendant Saddam Hussein, the court decided to finally stop legal procedures against defendant Saddam Hussein according to the Iraqi Penal Procedures Law," Ureybi told the court.
Looking tired and sporting an unusual white stubble, Majeed refused to take his chair and insisted on reading a line from the Koran as he stood behind Saddam's empty chair.
"Make him sit down, make him sit down," Ureybi ordered the bailiffs.
Many Kurds regret the chief suspect can no longer face justice for his role in the Anfal campaign against them, thanks to an earlier trial for killing 148 Shi'ites in the 1980s, but they hope others share his fate on the gallows.
Majeed, who faces genocide charges, is considered the main enforcer of Anfal, or Spoils of War, a 1988 military campaign against ethnic Kurds in which prosecutors say 180,000 people were killed, many of them gassed.
"Saddam is dead but the 'hero' of the Anfal operation is still alive," said Abdul Ghani Yahya, a man in his 60s in the northern Iraqi city of Arbil.
Prosecutors presented documents they said linked Majeed and other defendants to Anfal.
© Reuters 2007. All Rights Reserved.
This is worse than I thought. Saddam will not even be tried in absentia for crimes against the Kurds.
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The trial of six former Iraqi officials accused of trying to wipe out ethnic Kurds resumed in Baghdad on Monday with the chair once occupied by Saddam Hussein in court empty.
Nine days after Saddam was hanged for crimes against humanity for killing Shi'ites, the former president's cousin, "Chemical Ali" Hassan al-Majeed, and five other Baath party officials were back in the dock.
Judge Mohammed al-Ureybi, in his first order of business, formally dropped charges of genocide and crimes against humanity against Saddam. He cut off the microphones when Majeed stood up and started to read the Koran in tribute to his former chief.
"In virtue of the confirmation of the death of defendant Saddam Hussein, the court decided to finally stop legal procedures against defendant Saddam Hussein according to the Iraqi Penal Procedures Law," Ureybi told the court.
Looking tired and sporting an unusual white stubble, Majeed refused to take his chair and insisted on reading a line from the Koran as he stood behind Saddam's empty chair.
"Make him sit down, make him sit down," Ureybi ordered the bailiffs.
Many Kurds regret the chief suspect can no longer face justice for his role in the Anfal campaign against them, thanks to an earlier trial for killing 148 Shi'ites in the 1980s, but they hope others share his fate on the gallows.
Majeed, who faces genocide charges, is considered the main enforcer of Anfal, or Spoils of War, a 1988 military campaign against ethnic Kurds in which prosecutors say 180,000 people were killed, many of them gassed.
"Saddam is dead but the 'hero' of the Anfal operation is still alive," said Abdul Ghani Yahya, a man in his 60s in the northern Iraqi city of Arbil.
Prosecutors presented documents they said linked Majeed and other defendants to Anfal.
© Reuters 2007. All Rights Reserved.
This is worse than I thought. Saddam will not even be tried in absentia for crimes against the Kurds.
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spmarshall
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Some speculate that was because trials for war crimes from the period when Saddam was a friendly dictator to the US, would bring up embarrasing evidence to that self-interested imperial power. Get rid of Saddam on a much less known incident, then the interest wanes on the rest of the trials, and evidence involving the US is kept under the radar.
Because Pinochet was friendly with the US and Thatcher, he was allowed to die naturally in freedom. Had he been a leftist, he probably would have been deposed and killed with US assistance, like his democratically elected socialist predessor, Salvador Allende, or if US unfriendly later brought to account for his war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Because Pinochet was friendly with the US and Thatcher, he was allowed to die naturally in freedom. Had he been a leftist, he probably would have been deposed and killed with US assistance, like his democratically elected socialist predessor, Salvador Allende, or if US unfriendly later brought to account for his war crimes and crimes against humanity.
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ganjavih
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When is Rumsfeld's trial?
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bizorky
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Uh...
Anyway, Saddam's half brother was executed along with other former Bath Party big-wigs. Apparently one execution resulted in a decapitation. This has upset some people.
Now aside from Saddam, Kurds, trials that should have happened, Americans, Europeans and all those other topics that have legitimate issues attached; why are some people upset that one of the individuals being executed lost his head in the process? After all, the purpose of an execution is to kill someone. The suggestion that the killing was "undignified" strikes me as a bit odd. Is there any real dignity to be had by the person while they are right in the midst of being executed?
No noose big enough to get his ego through.
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spmarshall
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Every US President since er, FDR would have probably faced guilty verdicts and executions for war crimes and/or crimes against humanity, with the possible exceptions of Ford and Carter. Same goes for McNamera, Kissinger, Agnew, Baker, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Rice, Powell, Gonzales, Cheney.
Hey! Cheney, Gonzales, Powell, Rice, Ashcroft, Bush I, Bush II, Baker, Rumsfeld, Kissinger, Clinton are all very much alive! Too bad the victors ar never held to account (also see, Pinochet, Marcos, etc)
Of course, I would be thrilled to see several British criminals tried as well - Thatcher, Blair, Straw and others for sure.
And I would not advocate capital punishment, though sometimes a nicely blotched execution by electric chair does sound appealing (see case of "Tiny" Davis and others to show Iraqis aren't the only ones who regularly practice blotched executions). The rest of natural lives in a Supermax prison is good enough for many US criminals, even misfortunates thrown away thanks to over-punitive "three-strikes" laws, so they're good enough for the many war criminals who happen to be on the winning side.
Hey! Cheney, Gonzales, Powell, Rice, Ashcroft, Bush I, Bush II, Baker, Rumsfeld, Kissinger, Clinton are all very much alive! Too bad the victors ar never held to account (also see, Pinochet, Marcos, etc)
Of course, I would be thrilled to see several British criminals tried as well - Thatcher, Blair, Straw and others for sure.
And I would not advocate capital punishment, though sometimes a nicely blotched execution by electric chair does sound appealing (see case of "Tiny" Davis and others to show Iraqis aren't the only ones who regularly practice blotched executions). The rest of natural lives in a Supermax prison is good enough for many US criminals, even misfortunates thrown away thanks to over-punitive "three-strikes" laws, so they're good enough for the many war criminals who happen to be on the winning side.