the lemur
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With all deference to Jenny Jones, maybe "Gay Lord".
You mean Jenny James ... or did that '90s daytime talk show host wade into the debate now?
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You mean Jenny James ... or did that '90s daytime talk show host wade into the debate now?
JWBF
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Link bad.
And he likes to imbibe/take/snort/smoke before going somewhere, like the Garrison Ball and The Taste of The Danforth.
Right you are, sorry, brain fart.
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mrtinfoilsocket
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The Canadian flag is indeed still flying and it's on a flagpole that's taller than the one flying the Pride flag. That's the part that everybody seems to be missing - there are multiple flag poles at city hall and the one being used for Pride today is the one that's often used to represent various groups/causes/events of the day on a rotating basis.
Edit: Also from what I understand it's against the "rules" to put another flag on the same pole as the Canadian flag.
EagleEye
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Doucette is now saying it was a re-tweet. Looks like she jumped the gun. Everything that is going on at City Hall today just stinks of diversion by Ford. The cops, unfortunately, wouldn't comment when they left, however I agree with the person upthread that said Ford posing for pics while the cops were there is not the behaviour of a person who is receiving threats to himself and his family.
canmark
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There are many flags and flagpoles at City Hall. No one took down the Canadian flag and replaced it with the Pride flag.The Canadian flag is still there.
Canadian cities fly Pride flags for LGBT Russians, Rob Ford balks
maudlin
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.... and guess what's the top news on 1010? Idiot. Way to make Ford look like a victim. AGAIN.
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maudlin
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Also on 1010: Some recorded message that came into Ford's office threatening him and his family, no other details. But he didn't seem to be thrown off his stride.
Of course he wasn't.
So the only new detail is that it was a recorded phone message.
Of course he wasn't.
So the only new detail is that it was a recorded phone message.
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tiffer24
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Heads up for our LGBT communities. Seems like the Ford brothers have their official scapegoat for their craptastic 2014 campaign...
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RC8
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I'm not suggesting that the Canadian flag was taken down, but rather that the city should have specifically, in the spirit of the Olympics, put one more token item in support of Canadian athletes up there (could be anything, really, but an extra Canadian flag would have done the trick). It can be on a different post.
This of course would not be necessary if we didn't have barbarians such as Ford trying to exploit these acts, but we do, and we should pre-empt this sort of behaviour.
An example of how people should be pitching these Ford-sensitive initiatives would be to push for tearing down the Gardiner on the basis that it will save money and alleviate gridlock though measures enacted with the money saved (which is not a lie). Then let people read the report if they want more in-depth info.
No Casino Toronto did a fantastic job, the rest of Toronto's progressive initiatives (most of which I strongly support) have remained very inward-looking in my opinion.
This of course would not be necessary if we didn't have barbarians such as Ford trying to exploit these acts, but we do, and we should pre-empt this sort of behaviour.
An example of how people should be pitching these Ford-sensitive initiatives would be to push for tearing down the Gardiner on the basis that it will save money and alleviate gridlock though measures enacted with the money saved (which is not a lie). Then let people read the report if they want more in-depth info.
No Casino Toronto did a fantastic job, the rest of Toronto's progressive initiatives (most of which I strongly support) have remained very inward-looking in my opinion.
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Les Nessman
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Slob is out of control and playing everyone, here, with his antics. Cops aren't charging him, voters can't impeach him, media can't prove anything openly, which doesn't matter because hizzonor's public adores him.
Little man child....if u don't do what I say, I'm throwing a fit and busting up my Lego castle so no one can use it.....so there!
Thanks to those who voted numb nutz into office
Little man child....if u don't do what I say, I'm throwing a fit and busting up my Lego castle so no one can use it.....so there!
Thanks to those who voted numb nutz into office
uptown
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If I were Rob Ford I would be pinching myself really hard every few minutes to make sure the approval ratings weren't a hallucination of my intoxicated mind. Consider everything that he has done and he has a 45% approval rating. Let that sink in for a minute. Forty. Five. Percent. Rob Ford is utterly unassailable and he's probably encouraging other wingnuts to be as hyper-partisan and reckless as he is knowing the public will just lap it up. The media still refers to him as The Mayor and interviews him rather than shun him. City council didn't even see it as necessary to demand that Wynne remove him from office, only demurely ask that some of his powers be transferred to Norm Kelly. Meanwhile councillors like Frances Nunziata dances with him in council chambers. The Conservatives got their majority in 2011 and made major inroads in Toronto after having been found in contempt of Parliament, the first government in the Commonwealth to do so. Maybe Torontonians are idiots.
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euler
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As off-topic as this is, I think I can tackle this, because I have been thinking about this argument myself. Putin said it himself, "There are countries the west is allied with that execute, imprison homosexuals." (paraphrasing) I saw this one Russian bureaucrat in a Vice video defend the law by saying, "It is like being forced to live in a closet - but a very big and comfortable closet." So, true, when Saudi Arabia and Qatar and most of the countries in Africa have even MORE corruption, even MORE human rights abuses, even STRICTER laws against LGBT populations, how do we get on the moral high ground to criticize Russia so heavily?
And I think the reason is expectation. I think basic human rights follows a fairly linear path. You'll notice that a lot of countries that have 'modern slavery' - foreign workers brought in to work for pitiful wages, their passports held hostage, women and children trafficked and sold as sex workers - they are in a state of development that is nowhere near ready to accept equal rights for LGBT people. They are pre-feminism. They are barely post-slavery. Foreigners are abused, women have few rights. Education for women is poor. Most of the population is disenfranchised one way or another. Saudi Arabia prohibits women from driving, used to prohibit women from voting or being elected. When they treat half of the human race so poorly, how can we expect them to treat the marginalized ~10% with equality? It's not expected. Baby steps.
In the Western world we don't have these issues. People don't feel disenfranchised and it's a scandal when they do. Institutionalized racism is fringe and unacceptable. America has a black president, various people of different races are well-represented in powerful positions. Women have equal opportunities and are even slightly over-represented in higher education now. We struggle with minutia like differences in pay on average, but people don't deny these problems and they're talked about openly. So, we are able to focus our attention on the marginalized few remaining in society, at least those who had no agency over that which made them marginalized. So LGBT rights is now important for us, and we expect it to be important, and we expect our leaders to believe that it is important.
Now, Russia. Russia *was* all of these things. Russia is a lot more homogenous than America, Canada, UK, etc but racism isn't that huge. People of different races are seen as a curiosity, but not despised, at least not in my experience. Women have equal rights as men, and hold positions of power. There are still issues for feminists to work on in Russia, but the expectation is that the country has reached the stage where they can finally embrace that final 10%. And what do they do? They take a huge step backwards. They *codify* discrimination instead of outlawing it. The lawmakers themselves say, "You'll be OK if you keep a low profile!"
I am intimately familiar with Russian culture. Outside of Moscow and Peter it is very homophobic, and certainly there is no shortage of it in the cities. But internationally we *expected* Russia to move forward, but they moved quickly backward, and now they have the world stage.
So this is why we don't care as much about human rights in Saudi right now as in Russia. We expected more. At least in Saudi women can vote and run for office now, so they are taking steps forward. It's the step back that hurts, and of course it hurts those affected more.
tariqata
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More information (well, a tiny bit more) about the threat:
I can't help but wonder if it has to do with Ford's criminal involvement rather than political opposition, although the latter is obviously possible. (As is straight-up trolling, I suppose.)
I can't help but wonder if it has to do with Ford's criminal involvement rather than political opposition, although the latter is obviously possible. (As is straight-up trolling, I suppose.)
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